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    Difference between Running Performance Index and est. VO2

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    • zhang965Z Offline
      zhang965
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      the Vo2 in watch is firstbeat licensed

      In SC est vo2 is not

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        @zhang965 Indeed that can be 😄

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          mario_b @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
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          @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos 🤣
          as i understood the firstbeat metrics are not named the same by the companies using it:
          example: all the same
          firstbeat: Body resources
          sunnto 5: rescources
          Garmin: body battery

          firstbeat: VO2max Fitness level
          ambit3: running performance index
          Garmin (Fenix 5): VO2max
          suunto 5: VO2max

          estimated VO2 (it does not tell “max”) as i found out, is an suunto propriety form of current heart rate and pace. and can be tracked even with the phone and heart rate belt. it does not tell you the maximum oxygen your body can consume on highest level, it rater gives you an estimating of how many oxygen ml/kg/min your body currently is consuming at that second. which i think is in relation to calculating the epoc.

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          • zhang965Z Offline
            zhang965
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            I talked about runayyze, it has different formulas and show you different results you can compare it

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            • mario_bM Offline
              mario_b @zhang965
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              @zhang965 thanks i keep that in mind

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              • zhang965Z Offline
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                last edited by zhang965

                hold hole hold

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                • Dimitrios KanellopoulosD Offline
                  Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @mario_b
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                  @mario_b Runanalyze is cool and we do have their guy here in the forums as well.

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                  • Dimitrios KanellopoulosD Offline
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                    @mario_b Thanks for the insight. Indeed it looks like it. At the point, I was using movescount (I use my app now) I had just started with sports and was not so interested in vo2 etc. Lately, I do take a peak from time to time but it has no value for me as I better listen to my self, it shows better. But hey, this is really personal opinion just to excuse me from not knowing this bit of the Suunto ecosystem. I do well understand why people want to have those metrcis and to be accurate.

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                      mario_b @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
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                      @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos i will take a look on it. but having the watch for not more then around 24 hours, i will get comfortable with the new suunto system first. meanwhile i like it alot. 🙂

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                        mario_b @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
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                        @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos i take it with a grain of salt too. listen to my body first, second the metrics. but i get a very good guidance from it. for example seeing early that i should change something on my training and it works for me.
                        also for long time reviewing. you really can see, what you did, how much it improves you. (in my head, i can’t remember, but here its a nice graph to see)

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                        • zhang965Z Offline
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                          How I understand my vo2 max.

                          I did a lab test to find my max vo2 max.

                          And I use the estimated vo 2 to compare my current running exercise.

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                            estevez Bronze Member
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                            I have a question (and I don´t know if it was already discussed here, I can´t find anything about it):
                            Why are not (in case of Ambit3) EPOC and VO2 data (which we see in Movescount) displayed in Suunto app?

                            Thanks for reply or link, where this was discussed here.

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                              zhang965 @estevez
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                              @estevez why suunto 9 has no Vo2 date as well? because they don’t care

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                                estevez Bronze Member
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                                @zhang965 well, Suunto 9 doesn´t have Firstbeat license, but Ambit3 has…

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                                • zhang965Z Offline
                                  zhang965 @estevez
                                  last edited by zhang965

                                  @estevez yes of course I know, I just want you know it’s not a technical problem it’s an attitude problem, Suutno 3 has Vo2 tab in SA

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                                    mario_b @estevez
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                                    @estevez i would say, they don’t have it “yet”. “i think” it is an app work in progress. and better add thinks step by step and clean, instead of trying to put all in at the same time, and having problems. (but thats only what i think).

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                                      mario_b @zhang965
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                                      @zhang965 if the suunto 9 is the type of watch for athletes (pros)
                                      and for example the 3 is more for the average fittness type persons.
                                      i think that an pro athlete who already do a VO2max text in a lap from time to time does not really care if the watch tell’s him an around 95% accurate estimation.
                                      but a person who don’t spend hundreds to get such an test, get’s a good guidance if he is improving of not.
                                      same as guidance for training plans, rest days and so on.

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                                        francescobaldi @mario_b
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                                        @mario_b After one year I was looking for info’s about the VO2 in moovescount is still diplayed but Suunto App still didn’t have this functionality…

                                        Ambit 3 Peak vs Suunto app "sad" owner.
                                        Flatwater kayaker, runner, road and mountain biker & hiker

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                                          lexterm77 Bronze Member @mario_b
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                                          @mario_b said in Difference between Running Performance Index and est. VO2:

                                          Hi!
                                          I am new to Suunto. What is the difference between Running Performance Index and est. VO2max. (When looking on the run in Movescount, recorded with Ambit3 Peak).
                                          Thanks very much for your help.
                                          As my understanding Running Performance Index is the estimated VO2max calculated with Firstbeat algorithms. but what is est. VO2?

                                          This is an old thread but,

                                          Running performance From ambit3 accounts for your vo2 max fitness AND running efficiency. You can do that easily and much more accurately now with stryd, lookup Running Efficiency formula.

                                          Example two runners can have different vo2 max but finish race at same time, difference is running efficiency(mostly).

                                          They use specific weight lifting trainings to your core and leg muscles to improve muscular oxygen absorption efficiency (leg) and running form(coremuscles), particularly hem strings for people genetically predisposed for such injuries (for those who have their genome sequenced, there is a specific gene that if you don’t have many copies of it you are prone to it)

                                          vo2 max just aerobic fitness (you max input of oxygen) it is estimated from average value of many factors.

                                          MC Est vo2 is (Was) estimation of your current oxygen intake. Sort of like IF but 100% is for for 12minutes instead an hour on TP.

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