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    Difference between Running Performance Index and est. VO2

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    • mario_bM Offline
      mario_b
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      Just in case anyone is asking the same here is the answer:
      if you set a limit in the activity or in a workout on the ambit3 and you exceed that limit for more then around 1 minute then an alert is coming. before it only shows you an visual arrow back to the hr zone.

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      • Dimitrios KanellopoulosD Offline
        Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager
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        I think that V02max is from first beat. Check their page I think A3 is listed for that

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        • mario_bM Offline
          mario_b @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
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          @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos hi! thank you but nope, the running performance index on the ambit3 is the one wich calculates the VO2max with firstbeat algorithms . the estimated VO2 must be from suunto.

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          • Dimitrios KanellopoulosD Offline
            Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @mario_b
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            @mario_b I can be wrong. But afai https://www.firstbeat.com/en/consumer-product/suunto/ambit3/

            There is VO2max as far as I can remember that is FirstBeat. I am not sure a bout the est. Vo2. PErhaps someone else can help

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            • mario_bM Offline
              mario_b @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
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              @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos yes kind of right. ☺ the running performance is licensed from firstbeat which is calculation the VO2max.
              https://www.suunto.com/Support/Product-support/suunto_ambit3_peak/suunto_ambit3_peak/features/running-performance-level/
              suunto does not call it VO2max because they say its not the Vo2max in your blood alone but also how effective your running style is.
              for example: all my uploaded old garmin activities gets an VO2 indication but not the running performance index. estimated VO2 must be an suunto propriety value of speed and heart rate.

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              • Dimitrios KanellopoulosD Offline
                Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @mario_b
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                @mario_b I believe you 😄

                Here is the funny thing that confuses me.

                Spartan has est VO2 -> Ok Suunto thingy
                S5 (that is firstbeat) has also a thing called est VO2max.

                Do you think that the difference is on est VO2max vs estVO2 ?

                To be honest now I am more confused.

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                • zhang965Z Offline
                  zhang965
                  last edited by

                  the Vo2 in watch is firstbeat licensed

                  In SC est vo2 is not

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                  • Dimitrios KanellopoulosD Offline
                    Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @zhang965
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                    @zhang965 Indeed that can be 😄

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                    • mario_bM Offline
                      mario_b @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
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                      @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos 🤣
                      as i understood the firstbeat metrics are not named the same by the companies using it:
                      example: all the same
                      firstbeat: Body resources
                      sunnto 5: rescources
                      Garmin: body battery

                      firstbeat: VO2max Fitness level
                      ambit3: running performance index
                      Garmin (Fenix 5): VO2max
                      suunto 5: VO2max

                      estimated VO2 (it does not tell “max”) as i found out, is an suunto propriety form of current heart rate and pace. and can be tracked even with the phone and heart rate belt. it does not tell you the maximum oxygen your body can consume on highest level, it rater gives you an estimating of how many oxygen ml/kg/min your body currently is consuming at that second. which i think is in relation to calculating the epoc.

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                      • zhang965Z Offline
                        zhang965
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                        I talked about runayyze, it has different formulas and show you different results you can compare it

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                        • mario_bM Offline
                          mario_b @zhang965
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                          @zhang965 thanks i keep that in mind

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                          • zhang965Z Offline
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                            last edited by zhang965

                            hold hole hold

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                            • Dimitrios KanellopoulosD Offline
                              Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @mario_b
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                              @mario_b Runanalyze is cool and we do have their guy here in the forums as well.

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                              • Dimitrios KanellopoulosD Offline
                                Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @mario_b
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                                @mario_b Thanks for the insight. Indeed it looks like it. At the point, I was using movescount (I use my app now) I had just started with sports and was not so interested in vo2 etc. Lately, I do take a peak from time to time but it has no value for me as I better listen to my self, it shows better. But hey, this is really personal opinion just to excuse me from not knowing this bit of the Suunto ecosystem. I do well understand why people want to have those metrcis and to be accurate.

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                                • mario_bM Offline
                                  mario_b @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
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                                  @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos i will take a look on it. but having the watch for not more then around 24 hours, i will get comfortable with the new suunto system first. meanwhile i like it alot. 🙂

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                                  • mario_bM Offline
                                    mario_b @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
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                                    @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos i take it with a grain of salt too. listen to my body first, second the metrics. but i get a very good guidance from it. for example seeing early that i should change something on my training and it works for me.
                                    also for long time reviewing. you really can see, what you did, how much it improves you. (in my head, i can’t remember, but here its a nice graph to see)

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                                    • zhang965Z Offline
                                      zhang965
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                                      How I understand my vo2 max.

                                      I did a lab test to find my max vo2 max.

                                      And I use the estimated vo 2 to compare my current running exercise.

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                                        estevez Bronze Member
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                                        I have a question (and I don´t know if it was already discussed here, I can´t find anything about it):
                                        Why are not (in case of Ambit3) EPOC and VO2 data (which we see in Movescount) displayed in Suunto app?

                                        Thanks for reply or link, where this was discussed here.

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                                        • zhang965Z Offline
                                          zhang965 @estevez
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                                          @estevez why suunto 9 has no Vo2 date as well? because they don’t care

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                                            estevez Bronze Member
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                                            @zhang965 well, Suunto 9 doesn´t have Firstbeat license, but Ambit3 has…

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