Suunto 9 Peak

thanasis

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos
Thanks for that, there are great sentimental words depicting the company culture of suunto , which is great . but from a customer point of view there has to be an added value proposition, a unique selling point or something justifying why one needs to pay the premium for that which none of those things mentioned seems to tackle this core thing . We don’t wear the watches because they make us feel great . There are meant to be tools , gadgets etc . Yes , there is a growing number of garmin users who feel adventures because of wearing a Fenix but that was not Suunto audience .

The watch seems premium by design but lacks an awful lot of features others offer who not necessarily add value though… so eventually we are looking for things in s9p that would stand out of the crowd and add value to us. Definitely the visibility and the delay are not in the right direction so I thought of mentioning them. If Suunto’s direction is different , ok , I am happy to know .

The rest are a great storytelling but unless they justify something ….they remain a story telling thing.

bnorthrop

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos said in Suunto 9 Peak:

@chrisc92 isn’t that 45 ? I get 48-40 but not 40 at the middle of the day

33 beats per minute
Sleeping only seven hours a night, Kilian Jornet seems almost superhuman. His resting heartbeat is extremely low at 33 beats per minute, compared with the average man’s 60 per minute or an athlete’s 40 per minute.

I wanted to say that 40 while it’s an athletes resting hr it’s not all times from at least what I have seen in my close circles. I might be wrong.

40 and below is not common but not extreme either. My resting hr was typically 33 while awake and would dip into the hi 20s while sleeping as measured by an implanted loop monitor. The low hr contributed to issues I had with passing out (malignant vasovagal syncope) and therefore had to get a pacemaker. Now the pacemaker won’t let me go below 40 bpm. Haven’t passed out since though!

Ze Stuart

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos said in Suunto 9 Peak:

You can drink a beer with the factory workers.

Such a heart-felt reply, good points all round. Thank you.
Really? I’d love to go for a beer with Suunto people! I’m so sad that I won’t be going to Helsinki for Juhannuspäivä this year. (I promise that after the first round I’ll stop asking questions, at least until the third round…) Kippis! (Or do they prefer Skål?)

I’d also love to hear more about the sustainability squad, it’s such an important function: Suunto should be celebrating these heroes!

I had my first pool swim with my Peak today: my concern for the small screen was ‘how quickly and easily can I see the interval counter field?’ (Small field, top-left of pool swimming.) No concerns, very, very easy to see despite the smaller size.

surfboomerang

@ivan-vasilev I owned a couple of Ambits and a S9B before I switched to the S9P.
With those watches I never experienced broken lugs or even cracks in the casing nor have I heard or read about it. So I think Suunto already made those watches very robust.

The S9P switch of material could be because the lugs are much smaller then the other watches and Suunto wants to prevent breaking or cracking. So to me it seems that Suunto puts a lot of effort in designing and testing the watch (and not only the firmware) to prevent hardware failures as much as possible before selling it to real-world customers.

If this is not the case and it is pure aesthetic I still think it is a good change. I like the look of the lugs and I think that stainless steel or titanium can only contribute to the robustness of the watch.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@thanasis I didn’t say any storytelling. Sorry but this is offensive / ads a personal thing what you wrote to me. I took the time to write and explain some stuff and all you read is story telling ?

No one is forcing you to buy the product nor to switch to another brand. You don’t see the value? Then what’s your point ? You made that point.

I am not here to convince you to buy something

So my question to you:

What do you want to get out with your argument ? Convince others that your opinion about not wanting to buy the watch should reflect to others ? At a suunto forum ? At a place where we help on our free time.

I suppose that that is a storytelling for you as well.

Have a good day

sartoric

@thanasis said in Suunto 9 Peak:

The watch seems premium by design but lacks an awful lot of features others offer who not necessarily add value though

So in fact one shouldn’t feel an adventurer based on the watch he’s wearing but based on the number of features the watch offers ?

thanasis

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos
Hi again ,
Really there was no offensive purpose or statement . Storytelling in corporations is the story, the purpose , the message behind the reason of existence . The message put across to your the customers and the prospective ones .

With that in mind I am trying to say that with your previous answer you stated this message, but not the value that watch is creating

Considering there are acknowledged shortcomings I would have expected that there is a plan for improving then instead of a suggestion of : live with them and enjoy what is being sold .

This is indeed a Suunto forum and people who write in it have genuine interest in the firm. Otherwise we wouldn’t care less . But we do ,without expecting anything else apart from seeing improvements in the future

So the only thing that I am expecting is for someone to consider my view as a long lasting customer

Have a nice day

ink357

Some times ago when i’d like to change my Spartan i took an eyes on Garmin watches. Personnaly, i was affraid by the numbers of features i didn’t care… so i prefered to stay with Suunto, its simplicity and efficiency.
Some days ago i sold my S9B and now, can’t wait to receive my S9P wich have to me real changes of conception until the Spartan

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@thanasis said in Suunto 9 Peak:

Storytelling in corporations is the story, the purpose , the message behind the reason of existence . The message put across to your the customers and the prospective ones .

Good explanation. Thanks for this. I assumed storytelling in the perspective of a tale. And that kinda made me react. Sorry for that my apologies.

I don’t want to raise hopes and promise features but we do have a long set of upcoming changes that we hope to deliver asap during this year. In the past Suunto had this with the Spartans and it all went south.

Arguably the s9P could have a more feature rich launch but then again we decided to let the features trickle down to other s series watches.

Allow me to take one step more and suggest to chat in pm.

freeheeler

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos said in Suunto 9 Peak:

but then again we decided to let the features trickle down to other s series watches.

muuuch appreciated

EzioAuditore

@thanasis I have had Suunto, Polar and Garmin. Yes Garmin offers a lot compared to the others. BUT the metrics relevant for sport activities are so incorrect that immediately all the related and dependent metrics are a pile of sh…t (sorry for my language). The gps yes it looks so ‘smooth’ when you look at the map. When you check the distance and the pace though…. a random numbers. I will not get into details but I have both the f6x and s9b and on my half marathon (S9 showed 21.2, all the maps incl. Garmin explore show 21.1 and my f6 showed…. 20.1. That is a km shorter for crying out loud. And people have been complaining about it’s inaccurate pace since the day it released but the FW updates of Garmin have something like: enhance and improve dog tracker function, measure steps while skiing, etc. never dealing with the real audience of the outdoor watch. Suunto and Polar are so much better for athletes that need accuracy. Where Polar lacks its the build quality of Suunto and being made in China (no disrespect here but if you want EU product pay EU prices). In the end there is Xiaomi and Apple they both offer mobile devices with similar functionalities, what you choose is based on your preferences and ‘liking’.

aroo7

A lot of people write about the amount of data recorded by other watches (eg Garmin) compared to Suunto waches… and it is the argument that Suunto is not keeping up with the competitors.
I wonder if any of these people wonder about the quality of this data?
Stride length, ground contact time, etc. etc. and on the half marathon their watch shows a distance of 20 km … but that is not a problem for them the most important thing is to have 3 pages of indicators

DMytro

@aroo7 5% error doesn’t seem to big to me. I haven’t conducted a study, but it seems pretty coincidental to me that suunto was so spot on.

ChrisA

@thanasis I tried a lot of sports watches the last 12 month but for me Suunto are the ones which I feel suit my style of living and training best. There are things I miss from Suunto and I can find them on Polar watches or Garmin or Coros etc., but my Suunto watches are the ones I feel “at home” with. Actually I sold my Fenix 6 Pro, although it had all features you could ask for, because the data didn’t “talk” to me and I did not really enjoy it but it felt more like “work”. I want to know if my training shows an impact to my body resources over the last 3,6… months and I can do this with Suunto but not with Garmin or have a fast look on my weekly/monthly heat map for any sport (or a special one) and plan a quick route to explore some paths I haven’t been before… that all works so easy and seamless with Suunto and I enjoy it. I think you will never find a perfect sports watch and you will always miss something another brand will have, so I won’t look so much on 10.000 features, (when it covers the basic ones) but on the feeling it gives you when using it. When you are looking forward to start every new activity with your watch and enjoy using it, then I think you’ve found the right one, no matter how expensive or cheap it was.

EzioAuditore

@дима-мельниченко I’ve run a couple of half marathons. Every second day 10 to 15kms and on all these runs fenix is 800m to 1km shorter. And the pace…. Well I was pushing hard in zone 4 Suunto tells me 3:45 pace and it fills like I am at my limits and the fenix tells me 7:30…. Wtf. It must be because I moved the hand to check the watch and stopped the accelerometer. Than on my recovery sector of the same run Suunto shows me 5:30 an it feels correct cause I know my performance but fenix decides to finally catch up due to the previous lag and shows 4:10.

ChrisA

@hristijan-petreski can confirm this. Although I am a slow runner (much slower than you ) the Fenix 6 pro especially in the beginning of a run showed me weird numbers like 11:30 when I was actually running much faster (somewhere between 7:xx or: 6:xx). Raising my arm 5 seconds later it showed 9:xx or 10:xx, then settled for the real pace and kept it mostly, but I never had this on any other watch…

DMytro

@hristijan-petreski oh, just mention the distance, bad pace estimate is probably indeed annoying. Tbh I never bothered to check how well s9 goes against route length predicted afterwards, but to me an error below 10% from GPS watch on a wobbly hand not in perfect satellite reception conditions is totally acceptable. Of course it’s good to know that the watch does so well. Concerning pace: I notice that s9 normally overshoots estimates a little bit, but I can only say so about walking/hiking - maybe 7-8kmh is not enough to obtain the best precision.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

And some honest feedback. Today I did an ows.

I was not so pleased with the s9P. It was okish. I had better results with s9b.

It’s not so bad but I would have expected better because the rest of the test such as running and cycling etc were top notch. Am I expecting too much ? Idk.

Next time I’ll bring my s9B for swimking to be able to compare.

Brad_Olwin

@thanasis I have been using Suunto watches since 1998. I have also tried numerous Garmin watches, Polar, Apple Watch and a couple other smart watches. I will respond to the consumer needs obviously from my point of view. There are a few features I would like to see Suunto adopt but they are fairly specialized. Suunto’s watches are far more robust for hardware and firmware than any brand I have tried. I depend on my watch to work. No other brand comes close (Polar hardware is good too). For features and firmware, Suunto’s navigation is far better than any other. For me navigation features are my #1 priority. I always thought maps on a watch were useless, and I would argue they are not that useful. However, the Suunto 7 is a demonstration of how maps can be done right. So, I disagree with you and rather than considering the brand “Premium” I consider the brand Robust, for longevity and for use.

dulko79

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos does ohr work for swimming or belt is needed?