Suunto 9 Peak (review and specs)

sartoric

@northeast_trekker
If I’m not wrong, base battery estimation is with 24/7 on and backlight

northeast_trekker

@sartoric yes I understand, however unfortunately most of these base battery scenarios don’t really explain it in the more intuitive “1hr activity gps per day with default settings” terms…its hard to know if the S9P will be more or same as the S9B ~4days with 1 hr activity per day with default settings that I seem to get and I think others on the forum have also confirmed. It has to be <7 days because that is “With 24/7 tracking and mobile notifications”…but just wondering how much of a hit that will be…

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@northeast_trekker 1h of GPS is 4% (with all on including standby) (that tops up to 25h but keep in mind that the consumption might be less. Testers get 3% drain on longer runs).

For me 1d of just usage of watch + dnd at night + standby light = max 12% (Typically it’s 8-10% but I am bumping up stuff here as I dont know ie how many notifications you might be getting).

That means that each day we are at 16%. Lets make that 15% for the sake of having the other percentages bumped.

That would mean almost 7d (6.666) with all on + standby light + spo2 from time to time (it automeasures along with HR on demand when you check your HR/ or sleep etc)

Brad_Olwin

@northeast_trekker I agree with what @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos stated, I am getting 6 to 8 days between charges depending on how many long outings I have. That includes 10 to 15h of exercise with 2-3h indoor and the rest using GPS. I have 24/7 HR on and sleep tracking on. The battery on the Peak is lasting longer than my baro.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@brad_olwin for sure longer than the baro! It is visible and feels also like this

@brad_olwin How about vibration strength? I find S9 to be on a weak side.

northeast_trekker

@brad_olwin and @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos thanks for that insight! very helpful. great to see those hardware improvements make the stated specs on the conservative side! standby battery life, similar to the ambient light sensor add, is IMO a very overlooked feature.

isazi

@northeast_trekker like the other said, just few weeks ago I had more or less 10 hours of GPS + 1 hour of indoor workout and the battery lasted more for 7 days. After all of this it was at 9%. So what Suunto is putting on the official specs (7d) is with using all features and doing activity. Without activities I am quite sure it would last longer than a week.

northeast_trekker

@isazi sounds like they should maintain 2 spec sheets for S9P and S9B then! they need to take the fight to garmin!

Brad_Olwin

@nickk said in Suunto 9 Peak (review and specs):

@brad_olwin How about vibration strength? I find S9 to be on a weak side.

I agree with you and find the baro vibration too weak. The Peak may be a bit better but I still think it is too weak as well. For me as a wake up alarm it is fine but out on trails or skis still too weak.

sartoric

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos said in Suunto 9 Peak (review and specs):

almost 7d (6.666)

I See something evilish here }:‑)

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@sartoric up the hammers man

Soylent Yellow

@isazi Moste important thing to me would be the fix of the Vo2max bug. But you do make me curious for the new stuff!

isazi

@soylent-yellow sorry the VO2max bug is on the S9 (non peak) and it will be fixed with next release (that we said will be in June). All discussion here is about the S9 Peak, including the battery stats.

Soylent Yellow

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos They ways our eyes age are not the same for everyone. Some will prefer a bigger watch face to compensate for the deteriorating accommodation of the eyes, some will prefer a brighter watch face to compensate for the yellowing of the lenses.

Brad_Olwin

@sky-runner I used my Ambit for a number of ultras, the 5 sec mode at Bighorn 100. It was ok but I agree with you that the experience was suboptimal. I have done a lot of testing with intelligent battery modes on the S9 baro and some on the Peak using FusedTrack. I have several races where I have used FusedTrack as well and find it quite reliable.

The last Garmin I tried was a fenix 5, I think if you like having maps on the watch Garmins are a good choice. I use maps on the S7 when I travel as I am typically not doing long events.

It would be interesting to see data for a long run where you use the S9baro in Endurance mode and the fenix in 1s fix. I find the mode works much better for runs that are 4h or longer. I have had GPS signal loss when in deep canyons, typically the signal is re-acquired quickly and I ignore the alerts. On short runs, Endurance mode is often a bit short on distance, I find that it catches up quickly and by a couple of hours will match mile notifications with a watch in Performance mode.

You may rely on your watch more than I do for running ultras. I typically have a pace chart as the background screen on my phone and pay attention to my HR first then overall pace, lap pace (between aid stations) and overall distance. I do not use the watch to judge how far away the next aid is. If I feel I am not making the pace I had hoped for I check the pace charts where I have several finish times and any cut off times. I rarely use Ultra mode as 48h is the longest cut off for ultras I have done. Contemplating a 200 mile ultra I would probably use Ultra mode as I would rely less on the watch. I respect your opinion but find the intelligent battery modes combined with FusedTrack cannot be compared to the 5s fix on the Ambits. If my watch dies (since I run with test firmware) during an ultra, which it has it is disappointing because I lose the data I would like to have but it does not affect my race, simply not important enough for me.

I hope you find what you are looking for.

Soylent Yellow

@isazi Well, not all discussion seems to be about the Peak.
I replied to your comment “@prenj some new things coming to our beloved S9 in June. Some of them not even talked about yet.”.

The ‘beloved S9’ is the existing S9, or did I misunderstand?

fazel

@andré-faria the problem here is “what is an ideal mix” is not even close to settled. So while this might give you peace of mind, it’s a false sense. The polarized model suggests the targeted distribution of intensity represented in this image is decidedly false. Conversely, sweet spot aficionados might agree with this distribution. Moreover, the ideal distribution likely varies by sport and possibly by athlete (and their individual mix of muscle fiber types).

There is also the duration or residual remnants of training effects for various systems, and thus the relative frequency of related sessions. To combine all these factors while also considering event demands is not trivial. I say all of this as someone who has an Edge 830 for cycling and looks at this screen periodically…then I have the above conversation with myself and move on.

Rob33

@brad_olwin It all then depends on how precise we want it to be (I agree it may not be that important).
Regarding the “degraded” GPS modes, from what we read, the Fusedtrack Suunto is really much more precise than the degraded mode of Garmin (I forgot its name). This is the strength of Suunto.
But for my part until now, on my S9, I prefer to use the 1s mode and reload during my race (as I said above the experience in fusedtrack not having convinced me).

To return to the Peak (or the next Suunto), an autonomy of 30-35 h in 1s mode would be ideal for me

@fazel Interestingly enough, anaerobic load per Garmin/Firstbeat isn’t necessarily what many people think it is, i.e. it’s not necessarily working at or above one’s LTHR.

Another interesting aspect is how Garmin/Firstbeat determine what comprises high vs load aerobic load seeing only LTHR can be tracked in Garmin.

Last but not least, the recommended mix of activities is proprietary but is tied to an individual. For example, they did bring down anaerobic requirement somewhat and increased low aerobic requirement for me after a month or so, as my fitness kept improving and training load went up. That is, the watch seems to be learning from your intensity distribution preferences and adjusts recommended ranges.