Suunto Vertical: Bug Collection
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@Brad_Olwin Ah, yes, this somewhat solves it. But I still think this behavior is incorrect. The Map widget should operate independent of any Activity settings. Recording an activity in something other than Performance shouldn’t turn the map in the Map widget off.
This is the same behavior that we have with Media Controls. Turning Media Controls off in the activity options completely disables the Media Controls widget. I know this has confused quite a few folks.
Activity options simply shouldn’t impact widget functions. Any idea if this is being addressed?
Vertical Ti
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A not so persistent bug happened yesterday.
After a hike, the CTL value on the Vertical sky-rocketed to 487!
A couple of syncs didn’t solve the problem at first. I think a sync after several hours did it.
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This is not a bug, but a nuisance. Vertical doesn’t seem to have any oleophobic coating on the screen. It gets very smudgy and wiping with a shirt sleeve doesn’t help. I tried two different Verticals and they were the same. Now I have the Suunto Race and it doesn’t seem to have this problem, but I would still prefer the Vertical aesthetics.
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@duffman19 said in Suunto Vertical: Bug Collection:
@Brad_Olwin Ah, yes, this somewhat solves it. But I still think this behavior is incorrect. The Map widget should operate independent of any Activity settings. Recording an activity in something other than Performance shouldn’t turn the map in the Map widget off.
This is the same behavior that we have with Media Controls. Turning Media Controls off in the activity options completely disables the Media Controls widget. I know this has confused quite a few folks.
Activity options simply shouldn’t impact widget functions. Any idea if this is being addressed?
The map cannot operate independently as there is one map. Perhaps it should come back on but is easy to turn on. I am with you on media controls, I have asked for this to change but not sure it will.
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@Brad_Olwin But it’s still a bug
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@maszop what is a bug? The maps turning off works as intended.
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@Brad_Olwin I will repeat what was written earlier: Changing battery settings during activity turns off the map view also outside of activity. For me this is an obvious bug (fortunately not too serious).
The map widget should check and change this on startup. This is not rocket science in 2024.For some people it is apparently very difficult to accept that something is not working properly and someone reports a problem.
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@maszop said in Suunto Vertical: Bug Collection:
For some people it is apparently very difficult to accept that something is not working properly and someone reports a problem.
Actually, there are people that try to clearly understand what is the problem reported so it can eventually be forwarded to Suunto via official bug reporting.
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@maszop I’m not saying anything except it is not a bug AFAIK it is working as intended.
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@duffman19 said in Suunto Vertical: Bug Collection:
I’ve found a bug associated with the Map widget.
I think I’d like to redact my original phrasing calling this a bug. Perhaps it’d be better to call this “unexpected behavior”? Didn’t mean to cause a row!
As I now understand it, the Map is actually functioning as part of the Navigation feature, which itself is operating as its own independent thing; like a separate app in the background. I think most users, when clicking through the Map widget, would expect to see the actual map. Instead, it’s acting like a shortcut to open the Navigation function, which has maintained the settings from the last time it was used in an activity.
Two possible solutions are:
- Rename the widget Navigation instead of Map. That’s what it really is, no? All of the navigation features are there. And sometimes the map isn’t.
- Separate the Map widget settings from activity Navigation settings. Maybe that’s not possible (or easy to implement) given how I think things currently work, but I believe that’s what most users would expect.
- Rename the widget Navigation instead of Map. That’s what it really is, no? All of the navigation features are there. And sometimes the map isn’t.
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@Brad_Olwin According to this logic, if I turn off the heart rate monitor during some activity, sleep detection and many other functions that normally use this sensor will not work from the end of that activity.
This is absurd.I won’t write in this thread any more because it’s obvious and I’m not interested in pointless arguments.
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I have this small « bug » sometimes : when exercicing with personnal sport mode with touchscreen activated, sometimes touchscreen doesn’t work. Happened yesterday. Can’t relate it to any particular action.
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@maszop said in Suunto Vertical: Bug Collection:
@Brad_Olwin According to this logic, if I turn off the heart rate monitor during some activity, sleep detection and many other functions that normally use this sensor will not work from the end of that activity.
This is absurd.I won’t write in this thread any more because it’s obvious and I’m not interested in pointless arguments.
I am not passing judgement, just informing you this is not a bug. I have not stated what my opinion is but trying to help here so that you do not think this is a bug that might be fixed. You can certainly make a feature request for this. Don’t shoot the messenger.
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Suunto Vertical step counter is still terrible. All I need to do is glance at my watch and I gain a few steps. Tried the SR also and it seemed to have a much better and realistic step counter. Hopefully the SV also gets that update some day.
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I made an exhausting little experiment this morning. I tried to determine my max heart rate in a vague attempt to see where the limit lies. From the attempt, you can see that the result seems to be capped at 210bpm (graph attached).
The 210bpm limit appears to be a flat line spanning accross a period of 5 or 6 minutes. It looks like a software limit, or a measurement limit has been reached. I am not sure if this is a scalling issue in the app, or a limit in the raw data recorded during the activity.
But the flat line visualisation makes me thing that it is a software or firmware limitation.
I realise that a wrist watch measuing this data on the pulse is not going to be the most accurate. and i am not looking for absolute values. rather interested in relative readings which i can make some judgement calls on. Not sure if anyone else has seen this llimit.!
Suunto Vertical Ti Solar (Daily)
Suunto Race (Wife Daily)
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@SvenSchroeter interesting !
You probably should try with an hr belt to compare behavior.
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@Tieutieu You are right about that! And i am already looking at options on amazon as i saw your reply! I assume the wrist gives higher estimates than a belt.
But since I am not interested as much in the absolute readings, rather relative. If i take the 210bpm and set it as my max heart rate everything should scale in the training zones accordingly. As long as you keep using the same device, and it is giving shall we say consistent errors (deviations from the absolute real reading) then I should be ok. Maybe my thinking is flawd…
I was just sprprised to see such a perfect flat line. Which looks like a limit of the graphing, or the readings themselves.
Just an interesting point. Was really surprised myself to see 210bmp… i am 37years old… I have seen peaks of 191 in one or 2 activity sessions, but nothing above 200bpm until i did this little test.
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@SvenSchroeter
this flat part can be, software limit, of also bug of the HR sensor, maybe the whole values are even not correct, etc…
210 is quite not common.
You can use (for free
) a two fingers sensor on your throat or wrist, to check if 210 is something “logic” for you at that time.
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@SvenSchroeter said in Suunto Vertical: Bug Collection:
Was really surprised myself to see 210bmp… i am 37years old…
I remember years ago I had that value during a race because of an arrhythmia, the watch read 210 for 10 or more minutes, but the doctors told me I was at 220 or maybe more iirc (I was 56yo)–so I’m also thinking of a chest strap limitation as well (I was wearing a H10)
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@robis i think it is because commonly it is used the 220 - age calculation for the recommended max hr. And tytpically they assume no one under the age of ten will be using such a watch/tool, hence they cap it at 210 maybe. Also based on the studdies performed on the general population. which even suunto themselves have written can be grossly inaccurate (especially for the older generation).
Was an interesting read. Normally I have a much much lower heart rate during activity. Rarely going over 160bpm or 170bpm. But i tried to push this morning and when i looked back at the data after a shower… i was ready to head to the emergency room
