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    cosme.costa @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
    last edited by cosme.costa 13 Jun 2023, 17:42

    @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos Yeah it escalated pretty quickly, probably I’ve helped to do that 😯 .

    But for me is quite annoying that people complain hard when the company (at least the people that are testing the upgrade) have said that they have found the root cause and the fix is being tested right now. If you are very angry with your product you can contact support, file a complain with the company, I do not know…

    I also found quite childish to leave the forum because you have had some “hard” discussion, but it’s a free world, isn’t it?

    Anyway, all this is my opinion.

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      Łukasz Szmigiel @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
      last edited by 13 Jun 2023, 17:43

      @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in Software Firmware Update Suunto Vertical?!:

      We lost NickK

      Man down, man down!

      I’m still not sure if it’s good or bad that electronics make people so emotional.

      S9PP 2.40.44

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        Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @cosme.costa
        last edited by 13 Jun 2023, 17:46

        @cosme-costa don’t feel bad about saying what you feel.

        Neither should NickK which I hope he will be back

        It’s ok to have any discussion here as long as it’s polite , that’s why it’s a community forum.

        With it’s good and bad.

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          Egika Platinum Member @Guest
          last edited by 13 Jun 2023, 19:27

          @A-Former-User said in Software Firmware Update Suunto Vertical?!:

          @Egika said in Software Firmware Update Suunto Vertical?!:

          To make this clear: I am not working for Suunto.
          I just know that there are professionals working there.
          Just be assured, that all the great hints and tips posted anonymously will have absolutely no effect. You don’t get my point. My point is, that your criticism is just not constructive.
          And this is why it is of no use.

          With a statement like “this is not acceptable” - what would anyone here expect to happen?

          Perhaps a proper QA testing cycle? A different group of QA testers that use the watch differently? Realistic deadlines for hardware and software deliveries? An open beta program like Garmin, COROS, and Apple have? An ability to report and vote on issues, like Garmin did? A statement from the company rep saying they are aware of a problem and looking into it? A timely fix?

          There are a lot of things you can actually do, apart from sneeringly dismissing users’ concerns and defensively attacking them @Egika. You haven’t gotten that many users left!

          • Make Suunto change their processes, because you think you know how it works better? -> really?

          Well, if I were to put out a release like the Vertical, the next morning I’d have a short chat with my boss and HR, and then security would take away my badge and escort me off the premises. Which is a big reason why I don’t put out releases like that.

          But hey, I only got 25 years of experience in software industry… What do I know?

          Since you obviously believe that Suunto’s process is fantastic and testing is top notch, could you please explain why the offline maps don’t work? Or how can a broken recovery timer be missed during testing? Or why calories do not add up?

          @NickK @Kk2n-Kk (so many K’s, but you are different individuals I guess):

          Imagine that! There’s more than one person who’s for some reason unhappy and has K in his handle. I think we should outlaw Ks.

          t6, S6, Elementum Terra, Ambit 3 Sapphire, Spartan Ultra Copper, Traverse Alpha, S7 Graphite LE, S9B Ambassador, S9P Granite Blue Titanium, S9PP Titanium Sand, Vertical All Black, Race Titanium Charcoal,
          Race S All Black - TI Canary - Titanium Courtney

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            MiniForklift Platinum Member
            last edited by 13 Jun 2023, 19:59

            No reboots for me. My watch actually records my activities without any issues, it’s never decided to restart during the middle of a run and I don’t have any problems loading my maps… I almost feel like I am missing out on the fun

            SV Titanium Solar Forest

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              Tieutieu Platinum Member @MiniForklift
              last edited by 13 Jun 2023, 20:05

              @MiniForklift said in Software Firmware Update Suunto Vertical?!:

              No reboots for me. My watch actually records my activities without any issues, it’s never decided to restart during the middle of a run and I don’t have any problems loading my maps… I almost feel like I am missing out on the fun

              Same here…we don’t miss anything, for sure.

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              Vertical titanium solar
              Suunto Race S
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                wmichi
                last edited by 13 Jun 2023, 20:13

                I had all the fun with the reboots. I tried to fix it with a hard reset, which didn’t help. So I did another hard reset. This was 10 days ago, no reboot since the second reset. I fixed the issue before Suunto. Woohooo! 😉

                Do you need a firmware developer? I know stuff like nodejs and react. A watch firmware cannot be more complicated than <Watch onReboot={doHardReset} />. 😉

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                  mikekoski490 Bronze Member @Tieutieu
                  last edited by 13 Jun 2023, 20:15

                  @Tieutieu @MiniForklift Question to both of you on this: Do either of you use custom sport modes with apps or guides? Curious as I do not - I’ve only been using the stock sport modes until the next firmware update and dont really use apps or guides yet either for same reason, and I also have had no reset issues etc.

                  Past Suuntos: X-Lander/Observer/T6/X9/X10/X6HR/CORES/Ambits/Spartan/9P/9PP Ti/Vertical Ti

                  Current: Suunto Race Ti

                  Past other GPS watches: Polar Vantage V; Garmin 6X Pro Solar; Coros Vertix 2

                  Suunto App running on Google Pixel 8/Android 14

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                    gone troppo Bronze Member @wmichi
                    last edited by 13 Jun 2023, 20:15

                    My suunto vertical works near perfect I’m
                    Kinda worried that when this hot fix come out that it might cause problems for those of us with no problems?

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                      wmichi @gone troppo
                      last edited by wmichi 13 Jun 2023, 20:18

                      @gone-troppo regressions can always happen. But I am pretty sure Suunto devs know what they are doing.

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                        wmichi @gone troppo
                        last edited by wmichi 13 Jun 2023, 20:24

                        @mikekoski490 If I may answer… I had reboots with default and custom sport profiles, with and without S+ apps/guides. I even had a reboot directly after a hard reset with all settings on default. After my second hard reset the watch started to work flawlessly. The only thing I changed was to turn the standby light on to drain the battery faster to 0% (for battery calibration). Still 40% to go after 10 days and 22h of activity recording.

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                          MiniForklift Platinum Member @mikekoski490
                          last edited by 13 Jun 2023, 20:25

                          @mikekoski490 said in Software Firmware Update Suunto Vertical?!:

                          @Tieutieu @MiniForklift Question to both of you on this: Do either of you use custom sport modes with apps or guides?

                          Yes, I have a road running profile and a hills/trails profile, both of which are custom modes that I created. I do use the apps occasionally but I think it’s just the carbs/fat burner one I have used so far on my SV

                          SV Titanium Solar Forest

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                            mikekoski490 Bronze Member @MiniForklift
                            last edited by 13 Jun 2023, 20:27

                            @MiniForklift Thanks!

                            Past Suuntos: X-Lander/Observer/T6/X9/X10/X6HR/CORES/Ambits/Spartan/9P/9PP Ti/Vertical Ti

                            Current: Suunto Race Ti

                            Past other GPS watches: Polar Vantage V; Garmin 6X Pro Solar; Coros Vertix 2

                            Suunto App running on Google Pixel 8/Android 14

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                              mikekoski490 Bronze Member @wmichi
                              last edited by 13 Jun 2023, 20:27

                              @wmichi Thanks!

                              Past Suuntos: X-Lander/Observer/T6/X9/X10/X6HR/CORES/Ambits/Spartan/9P/9PP Ti/Vertical Ti

                              Current: Suunto Race Ti

                              Past other GPS watches: Polar Vantage V; Garmin 6X Pro Solar; Coros Vertix 2

                              Suunto App running on Google Pixel 8/Android 14

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                                SuperFlo75 Silver Members Bronze Member @mikekoski490
                                last edited by 13 Jun 2023, 20:45

                                @mikekoski490 I also didn‘t have any reboots or big issues with my vertical. Just one time, the watch freezed in the watch face directly after a short test (<1min) of a new created personal sport mode. I did a soft reset. But since this, no problems n using my own sport modes and also the onboard modes. I never used a S+ app with my Vertical until now…

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                                  Tieutieu Platinum Member @mikekoski490
                                  last edited by Tieutieu 13 Jun 2023, 20:47

                                  @mikekoski490 said in Software Firmware Update Suunto Vertical?!:

                                  @Tieutieu @MiniForklift Question to both of you on this: Do either of you use custom sport modes with apps or guides? Curious as I do not - I’ve only been using the stock sport modes until the next firmware update and dont really use apps or guides yet either for same reason, and I also have had no reset issues etc.

                                  I always use custom sport modes for all my “usual sports”: trail running, cycling, MTB, hiking, climbing. I also use apps sometimes : climb, safe and weather, and also guides with structured intervals, combined with apps (climb).
                                  I also use some stock modes.

                                  Not a single crash.

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                                  Vertical titanium solar
                                  Suunto Race S
                                  S9pp titanium sand
                                  Suunto Wing
                                  S9B titanium Ambassador edition, A3P, X6

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                                    Jamie BG Bronze Member @Guest
                                    last edited by 14 Jun 2023, 08:49

                                    @Kk2n-Kk
                                    But how much is it bugs - and how much is it really lack of features and options.
                                    For the last 2-4 years its been Suunto 7, Suunto 3 (no gps), Suunto 5 and Suunto 9 with some style variations. That isn’t a lot of variety. In opposition you have Apple pumping out and improving their Apple Watch every year; Wear os is pretty static; Garmin is doing regular development, regularly updating/refreshing models and making some major improvements/changes, adding AMOLED etc; Coros making lots of changes adding maps etc; Polar seems to be pretty quiet and I think like Suunto is suffering due to it.
                                    Would be really interesting to see fi there are any stats on where ex suunto users are going - for myself I know that I went to garmin and seen a couple on the board do the same and or coros. I really do think this is more about features and options than bugs that is causing the drain.

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                                      dombo Bronze Member @Tieutieu
                                      last edited by 14 Jun 2023, 09:05

                                      @Tieutieu as I wrote in different thread: the fact that someone did’t have any crash does not mean product is faultless. lot of developers and testers do not see any issues on their computers… on the other hand, if someone has crash it means product is or broken or it has some bugs.

                                      or do you want to tell us that or we are doing something wrong when we have crashes or we are we are dreaming about it or what? so I would suggest to stop to use this as an argument.

                                      I’m happy you did not have any crash. I personally start to use default sport modes, stop to use any S+ apps, do not pause activities, limit usage of maps and do not change settings during activity in order to prevent crashes and to have reliable battery life. is this worth new watch? it has to be answered by Suunto itself.

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                                        Tieutieu Platinum Member @dombo
                                        last edited by Tieutieu 14 Jun 2023, 09:48

                                        @dombo said in Software Firmware Update Suunto Vertical?!:

                                        @Tieutieu as I wrote in different thread: the fact that someone did’t have any crash does not mean product is faultless. lot of developers and testers do not see any issues on their computers… on the other hand, if someone has crash it means product is or broken or it has some bugs.

                                        or do you want to tell us that or we are doing something wrong when we have crashes or we are we are dreaming about it or what? so I would suggest to stop to use this as an argument.

                                        I’m happy you did not have any crash. I personally start to use default sport modes, stop to use any S+ apps, do not pause activities, limit usage of maps and do not change settings during activity in order to prevent crashes and to have reliable battery life. is this worth new watch? it has to be answered by Suunto itself.

                                        I just answered the question I was asked for. I’ve never said that having no issue myself meens that nobody has, or don’t use the watch properly.

                                        But in this thread you could think that because some have issues, Suunto is garbage…

                                        Around me we are a few friends to use Suunto’s watches intensively for a while and none of use ever experimented such issues. We are 5 five in our group using the Vertical for a month now with 0 problems.

                                        I am on this forum to share and to help Suunto moving forward. A lot of messages in this thread were quite unpleasant and pointless. Let’s continue to describe precisely the uses that lead to bugs/crashes, that is the best everyone of us can do.

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                                        Vertical titanium solar
                                        Suunto Race S
                                        S9pp titanium sand
                                        Suunto Wing
                                        S9B titanium Ambassador edition, A3P, X6

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                                          isazi Moderator
                                          last edited by 14 Jun 2023, 09:55

                                          Another post that escalated quickly. Please, after the hotfix is released, open a new thread for each bug/question/weirdness because this huge thread is not manageable 😄

                                          Watch: Suunto Vertical Ti

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