Disappointing Sleep tracking after new update

[Łukasz Szmigiel]

@Egika said in Disappointing Sleep tracking after new update:

Suunto Race and Vertical use different algorithms for sleep tracking.

This sounds like a strange business decision. Go for another 3rd party algorithm while developing a universal algorithm in house.

[Michał Kasprzyk]

@Egika yeah, that’s the reason im sticking with vertical - i don’t need deep sleep analysis anyway and apart from that the watch is GREAT.
And i prefer MIP display way more over AMOLED (well, im an old-school guy it seems), and with most recent update to vertical with widgets and performance it’s super fulfilling all my needs.
So im also keen on looking into sleep updates of the algorithm to be at least comparable to race, as this is the only painful point for me so far (and definitely not a dealbreaker of changing vertical to race for me, but if someone’s focused on sleep tracking then yeah - race was much better IMO in this area).
Also, on vertical the ‘morning report’ is kinda useless as it has maybe 20% of data of what race have had (or maybe it’s just a me problem, but still).
Thanks for the comment tho.

[Egika]

@Łukasz-Szmigiel there sure is reasoning behind this, no doubt.
Anyway - it is like it is. I tried to explain the difference. No way I am able to explain Suunto’s business decisions, you might understand.

[Łukasz Szmigiel]

@Egika sure, I don’t blame you, it just seems weird, especially for people who own two different devices.

[Mff73]

@Łukasz-Szmigiel
https://forum.suunto.com/post/131343

[RaDeck]

@tomasbartko
I can report the EXACT same behavior! My sleep tracking was pretty good prior to update but now it needs 2-3 hours to actually recognize I’m sleeping, which result in 4-5 hours nights… short, very short… and very inaccurate… yet the scoring is way better then it used to when my tracking was on spot (again this scoring is now completely ‘off’ as it gives me scores of 90% for 4hrs15 of sleep). Furthermore, in these hours the recovery is ‘speedy’ to say the least! My resources are way higher than they used to be with way less sleep.
Long story short: we can see the importance of a a well balanced algorithm; definitely not the case on the PP9 at the moment! On the plus side we get the HRV, I’ll monitor HRV data and disregard the sleep track for the time being.

[Łukasz Szmigiel]

@Mff73 thanks, makes sense.

[Swaddy61]

I find the Sleep Tracking on my SV isn’t ‘exactly’ correct, but overall gives an impression of how I slept. i.e. a bad night tends to have less sleep hours, and a good night more, but the actual figure shown tends to be different to how many hours I know I slept. If it needs to be exact to calculate other parameters (like Recovery) then perhaps that is an issue, but the other parameters seem to be an accurate reflection of how I feel, so…

Sleep Tracking was slightly worse on my Coros.

[AnonVerticalOwner]

I continued to test various theories, but to no avail. Sleep times, time awake, and wake up times all continue to have sporadic 1-3h deviations. Avg. sleep has gone down from 6h+ to 4h-.

Sleep data genuinely got trashed by the update Now it appears various people in the S9PP update thread have started experiencing it too. Perhaps a “known issues” list would give everyone some reassurance.

Do we have any (un)official word from Suunto on this issue? (aside of this thread being tracked, that is)

[Iggge]

Tonight my Vertical did record 0h of sleep.
My new watch, Galaxy watch6 classic got 7h and 12 min of sleep…

[Brad_Olwin]

@Iggge This does not help us……help you. How is the watch set up?

[Brad_Olwin]

@Jeffrey-Tillack Sell the Ultra, but wait until Apple pauses sales. I got rid of mine. Love the smartwatch part but just not good enough for sport use. Should easily cover the cost of a Solar Vertical!

[Iggge]

@Brad_Olwin have answered that a little higher up. Have been testing some various HR and have everything on.
However, after the new update the watch have been spot-on

[DrSilverthorn]

I’m running 2.30.38. I typically wake several times during the night. I’ve noticed that the watch will track one or two segments of sleep per day only. It doesn’t track more than two segments of sleep per day. As an example, let’s say I had:

Day 1:
2200-2315
2315-
Day 2:
-0100
0115-0350
0400-0530

1002-2310
2314-
Day 3:
-0015
0030-0200
0205-0350
0400-0533

The watch might record:
Day 1: 2200-2315
Day 2: 0400-0530, 1002-2310
Day 3: 0205-0350

It never tracks more than one segment per day, per sleep session. I hope this is clear.

Edit: changed firmware to 2.30.38

[Brad_Olwin]

@DrSilverthorn This is old firmware, you should update to the newest firmware.

[Brad_Olwin]

@Iggge Excellent

[DrSilverthorn]

@Brad_Olwin My mistake. I am using the latest firmware. Corrected in original post.

[Iggge]

Third night with the new update, and again my Vertical shows correct sleep analysis.
This is really good news! Good job Suunto!

[AnonVerticalOwner]

@DrSilverthorn This seems to be similar to what I’m occassionally experiencing with mine. The days I sleep like a rock are accurately tracked started to end (though rarely any awake time). The days where I toss/turn or get up during the night, it’s either reporting a segment, as you describe, or random-seeming times.

[AnonVerticalOwner]

I performed another hard reset ca. a week back and calibrated the OHR by getting a variety of (3-5 HR zone) activities in early. In combination with the update, more days were tracked accurately or accurately enough.

However, it still seems too unstable. Average sleep time is up 1h from before the update, so that’s an improvement, but it remains under the 6h average it should roughly be (and has previously steadily been since the Vertical’s release).

For what it’s worth, the last 7 days in review:

• F: Spot on. (07:47h)
• S: Nowhere close. (00:59h, 01:47 - 02:47 and no awake time, versus expected 5-6h with up to 1h awake time)
• S: Close enough. (04:59h, ca. 30m early on the wake up time)
• M: Close enough. (07:38h, guaranteed to have been awake, but no awake time tracked)
• T: Spot on. (05:16h)
• W: Not quite. (05:21h, wake up time stated to be 06:08, but overslept til nearly 08:30; did not get up at 06:08, no gaps or spikes in HR data)
• T: Nowhere close. (00:53h, 01:31 - 02:24, yet I went to bed at 22:30, passed out rather quick, and got up at 04:08. There’s a gap in the HR tracking and that always seems to throw off the algorithm entirely; did have the watch strapped properly)

Min. HR rate has been 46 on average. HR while writing this message on the sofa is 55-62. Resting HR set to 60 since last hard reset.