Suunto ZoneSense

Danny poleg

@Egika
I checked - thanks
While I’m on the ZONESENSE screen, pressing the top button switches between data and adjusts the color spectrum according to the zone I’m in

Francesco Pagano

@Egika can you actually switch through those data fields with the upper button?
I can only see
Pace - Hr
Power - HR
Ascent - Descent

Brad_Olwin

@Francesco-Pagano You can set which data fields you want in the Suunto App, then you will have the three you selected available.

Brad_Olwin

@Danny-poleg The top button press will not change the color spectrum or it should not.

Danny poleg

@Brad_Olwin only on iphone
This option does not exist on Android

althaea35

@Danny-poleg this works a described for me on Android (Galaxy s23).

Danny poleg

@althaea35 !
Unfortunately this is what I see in the app what am i doing wrong

A Former User

@Danny-poleg I get that screen as well when the watch isn’t connected/synced to the app. Once it’s connected, it works better.

althaea35

@Danny-poleg

I see this with watch connected.

Have tried (the old) unload reload the app?

herlas

@daveathletic yes, you can indeed update Z3 and Z5 low end values using aerobic and anaerobic thresholds suggested by ZS.

Recently in a webinar Suunto clarified that ZS is not necessarily a replacement of lab testing for lactate and ventilation tests, but at the same time, it can be used as a good enough reference, as ZS data follows the lactate thresholds done in a lab very closely. It was stated by the creators of the metric behind ZoneSense that its thresholds are within +/- 5 bpm vs lab-based lactate test.

Having said that, it’s up to end-users to make best judgment use of the thresholds measured by ZoneSense, as you know, these will vary between days, even during same day. A ramp test on a track or flat course is usually a good way to get a relatively good idea of your thresholds from ZS.

If you don’t do ramp test, another way is do targeted sessions for each one, one aerobic session where you work below, at and above what you think your aerobic threshold might be and for enough time ( 3 to 5 mins) then do a separate session for anaerobic following same approach.

Hope this helps.

Danny poleg

@althaea35
@iterumtenta
Thanks to all the members of the group
There is nothing like the good old way - deleting the app, resetting the phone, installing the app and the magic works

daveathletic

@herlas thanks for your reply, that helps a lot and gives me a really good understanding. There is so much information out there according to HR zones that it can get quite challenging to find the right way to set them up without a lab test.
Anyway, I‘m gonna do a track test and will use Zonesense metrics to get them at least more or less accurate.
Thanks for your help, really appreciate.

Danny poleg

@daveathletic

Nice article that sheds some light on the subject
In addition, Suunto’s YouTube website has additional explanatory videos

https://the5krunner.com/2024/09/18/suunto-ddfa-dynamic-heart-rate-zones-training/#google_vignette

SamuelP

New lecture by suunto

https://youtu.be/4q6XHYcN-_A?si=Jb4aVHJbwYElpbN0

daveathletic

@Danny-poleg thank you, that’s super helpful.

pilleus

Walking on a 12 % incline, running on a 4 % incline on the treadmill (10 minutes warm up, then intervals with 3 minutes running and 2 minutes walking).

jussim

I ran a Cooper test.

Could one interpret the graph that I wasn’t able to really give my best here since I didn’t really hit VO2 zone? Admittedly my taper for this wasn’t quite the way I would’ve liked so my legs weren’t the freshest.

P.S. App labeled this as “recovery.” Gee, how motivating! Is it the duration of under 30 mins that makes it so since 12 mins in Z5 apparently isn’t worth anything.

stromdiddily

@jussim I would say the graph looks pretty good relative to your effort (outside of that first spike)

Francesco Pagano

Interesting read from Marco Altini’s blog:

https://marcoaltini.substack.com/p/q-and-a-what-are-your-current-thoughts

Zdeněk Hruška

@Francesco-Pagano Oh, thanks so much for this article. I use Marco’s app but I haven’t noticed this opinion.
Well that could explain why in my personal case the ZoneSense is probably useless (or there could be possibly other reasons of course). I have a hard time trying to interpret results.
For me all the thresholds computed by the ZoneSense are way too low (sometimes even comically, like 30 beats under the lab measurement - measured with the H10 belt).
For example I spent 40 minutes around 165bpm and I get a LT 152 or something like that. That’s not possible I suppose:)
Even knowing that zones are shifting from day to day I am not sure how to work with it or what to take from it. There were a few times when it showed something that could make sense to me but… it’s not reliable for me to use it in a real time to guide my effort.
And I also wonder about the names of the zones… Why is the second zone called ANaerobic (without oxygen) and another zone called VO2max (like maximum oxygen uptake)? Wouldn’t it be better to call the zone moderate, or tempo, or threshold… I don’t know. It would make more sense to me