Difference between Running Performance Index and est. VO2

zhang965

you should have a try the runalyze’s Vo2 max estimation

mario_b

@zhang965 i read that many times. but i like the simplicity of just a value and not have too many services in the background. also i like to see the 30day trend directly on the watch of the running performance index. (ambit3)

zhang965

luck you,

Goddamned Suunto 9 has no performance level

mario_b

@zhang965 i went for the ambit3 because its the only watch from suunto which was a barometer and performance index.
may i ask you another another question? maybe you know that. on the sports mode running, i can set heart rate limits. so i set my lactate threshold as upper limit and thought i would get an alarm when reaching it. but it only shows me an arrow down next to the heart rate. is it possible to set such an alarm for running?
if not i think i can create a workout with upper heart rate limit 171 bpm. would that create an alarm? (have not tried it yet)

zhang965

@mario_b
I don’t remember anymore the details, but I do remember if I ran too quick, it will beep beep, so I deactivated all alarm

zhang965

check if your alert tones are ON

mario_b

@zhang965 thx i’ll try that again.

mario_b

@zhang965 yes i did. auto lap beeps. i just deactivated the button tones. that drives me nuts.
i’ll try with the workout. i saw a video on youtube and there was a beep.
thx!

zhang965

I don’t care about HR while running

mario_b

@zhang965 i do on longer uphills. (i suffer too much and get tired quickly) haven’t got the right feeling yet.

zhang965

I’m attacking 10KM for 40mins, but too hard

mario_b

Just in case anyone is asking the same here is the answer:
if you set a limit in the activity or in a workout on the ambit3 and you exceed that limit for more then around 1 minute then an alert is coming. before it only shows you an visual arrow back to the hr zone.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

I think that V02max is from first beat. Check their page I think A3 is listed for that

mario_b

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos hi! thank you but nope, the running performance index on the ambit3 is the one wich calculates the VO2max with firstbeat algorithms . the estimated VO2 must be from suunto.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@mario_b I can be wrong. But afai https://www.firstbeat.com/en/consumer-product/suunto/ambit3/

There is VO2max as far as I can remember that is FirstBeat. I am not sure a bout the est. Vo2. PErhaps someone else can help

mario_b

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos yes kind of right. the running performance is licensed from firstbeat which is calculation the VO2max.
https://www.suunto.com/Support/Product-support/suunto_ambit3_peak/suunto_ambit3_peak/features/running-performance-level/
suunto does not call it VO2max because they say its not the Vo2max in your blood alone but also how effective your running style is.
for example: all my uploaded old garmin activities gets an VO2 indication but not the running performance index. estimated VO2 must be an suunto propriety value of speed and heart rate.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@mario_b I believe you

Here is the funny thing that confuses me.

Spartan has est VO2 -> Ok Suunto thingy
S5 (that is firstbeat) has also a thing called est VO2max.

Do you think that the difference is on est VO2max vs estVO2 ?

To be honest now I am more confused.

zhang965

the Vo2 in watch is firstbeat licensed

In SC est vo2 is not

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@zhang965 Indeed that can be

mario_b

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos
as i understood the firstbeat metrics are not named the same by the companies using it:
example: all the same
firstbeat: Body resources
sunnto 5: rescources
Garmin: body battery

firstbeat: VO2max Fitness level
ambit3: running performance index
Garmin (Fenix 5): VO2max
suunto 5: VO2max

estimated VO2 (it does not tell “max”) as i found out, is an suunto propriety form of current heart rate and pace. and can be tracked even with the phone and heart rate belt. it does not tell you the maximum oxygen your body can consume on highest level, it rater gives you an estimating of how many oxygen ml/kg/min your body currently is consuming at that second. which i think is in relation to calculating the epoc.