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@zhang965 said in Pros/Cons of Suunto 9 BARO * ONLY * be fair and polite!:
@johann-fuehrer said in Pros/Cons of Suunto 9 BARO * ONLY * be fair and polite!:
@zhang965 To be the “flagship” product is no quality definition for the product itself, especially for some user groups of. It’s a marketing term. I’s not “negative” or “positive” to be the flagship product, but it has the meaning, that this is (for now) the company’s “best” and “way leading” product.
Of course it has quality definition, how about to call s5 as flagship ?
Maybe a misunderstanding: I’m sure that each companies flagship product should have also outstanding quality, but the combination of features!!/price!/quality!! and the business orientation define for a company which product they position as their “flagship” product. The flagship product shall tell the costumer which is the way the company is going to and which product is the manifestation of this way right now
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I agree with you about you the ohr on s9 is a totally joke but it’s just an option
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@zhang965 said in Pros/Cons of Suunto 9 BARO * ONLY * be fair and polite!:
I agree with you about you the ohr on s9 is a totally joke but it’s just an option
… but built in and charged … and part of this special model which we are talking…
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@zhang965 said in Pros/Cons of Suunto 9 BARO * ONLY * be fair and polite!:
But your xiaomi has no gps nor baro ?
This is not the point. A 500 Euro watch should be able to read the heart rate on the wrist as it is possible with a cheap fitness tracker.
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What’s the point? They even don’t put firstbeat features on s9 which is. 500euros watch , s3 5 have these features!
They don’t care
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@zhang965 said in Pros/Cons of Suunto 9 BARO * ONLY * be fair and polite!:
ohr on s9 is a totally joke but it’s just an option
I would use ohr as an option only and would rely on the chest strap at first… at least until ohr convinced me that it is better… but with gloves skiing, I can imagine ohr meets its limits…
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@zhang965 said in Pros/Cons of Suunto 9 BARO * ONLY * be fair and polite!:
They don’t care
they want you to buy the entire s-line
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@zhang965 said in Pros/Cons of Suunto 9 BARO * ONLY * be fair and polite!:
What’s the point? They even don’t put firstbeat features on s9 which is. 500euros watch , s3 5 have these features!
They don’t care
Why do “they” not care, when did “they” promise such?
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So why ohr is a con?
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@zhang965
because it works not as well as chest strap? …it’s not really a con… it’s just like the backup camera in the car that only works every now and then -
The first time(s) when I use my s9, I was shocking,
The gps was horrible
The ohr was horrible,But I’m getting more and more comfortable with it now,
bob ross said There are no mistakes, just happy accidents.The gps accuracy gives me a lot of surprises that I begin to enjoy it.
Ohr never mind, I’ll never use it.
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@zhang965 said in Pros/Cons of Suunto 9 BARO * ONLY * be fair and polite!:
So why ohr is a con?
- con: WHR, what for? If I need reliable HR than I NEED a strap, if not - then I don’t need to know my HR anyhow, especially if I’m training by power zones.
What is a HR shown good for, if it’s wrong (not completely, but if you are wrong +/-5 HR beats near LTHR, it MAKES a difference), too late (interval training, >5secs) or not working at all (swimming) and absolutely unusable for HIIT based on HR (response too much lag)
For (more or less) steady pace runs, to have some indications where on your personal the HR scale you are: OK, this works.
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@zhang965 said in Pros/Cons of Suunto 9 BARO * ONLY * be fair and polite!:
bob ross said There are no mistakes, just happy LITTLE accidents.
nice that am not the only one who watched him -
I do understand your con point, if you speak French, you will also understand your con’s meaning
Btw
The algorithms for Ohr and chest are different,Chest belt can calculate the hr based on actual RR interval
But ohr has to get an average from a period it’s why we say ohr needs wear it for some minutes before beginning sport
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@johann-fuehrer said in Pros/Cons of Suunto 9 BARO * ONLY * be fair and polite!:
@zhang965 said in Pros/Cons of Suunto 9 BARO * ONLY * be fair and polite!:
bob ross said There are no mistakes, just happy LITTLE accidents.
nice that am not the only one who watched him You have been right: "“We don’t make mistakes – we just have happy accidents.”
Mixed up quotes of B.R.
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When I begin using S9, my PB of 10k has changed a lot , 45m (a3p and ssu ) to 38m (s9)
You know I’m the guy only run once 10k a week at Sunday morning .I thought it because I 'm running quicker, but it actually s9’s gps running quicker than me…
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I had some really really bad time with s9, but now it doesn’t matter anymore:
s9 is still being developed, s9 is still young, suunto has still time to finish it, new firmware is on the way, unless ssu, three years later of his release, one year in outlet, it still looks like an unfinished watch -
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I’m still not convinced if it’s a good or bad plan to throw a product on the market in test stage and use customers over 3 years time to improve it…
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@TELE-HO said in Pros/Cons of Suunto 9 BARO * ONLY * be fair and polite!:
@zhang965
I’m still not convinced if it’s a good or bad plan to throw a product on the market in test stage and use customers over 3 years time to improve it…Microsoft was doing well with that approach, like IBM, Apple, Google (Android), … and the difference to Suunto is: their (Suunto’s) software usually do NOT crash! But customer feedback is somewhere different than what you cannot get in an “sterile” test environment. The “wild” is always different. And the the test base of Microsoft and Suunto might be slightly different in size…
That’s the reason, garmin drops out each beta in the wild, and let customers to the hard work (“but we’ve told you: it BETA!!, sorry for your data…”)
