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    Pros/Cons of Suunto 9 BARO * ONLY * be fair and polite!

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    • freeheelerF Offline
      freeheeler @zhang965
      last edited by freeheeler

      @zhang965
      because it works not as well as chest strap? …it’s not really a con… it’s just like the backup camera in the car that only works every now and then

      living sideways

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      • zhang965Z Offline
        zhang965
        last edited by zhang965

        The first time(s) when I use my s9, I was shocking,

        The gps was horrible
        The ohr was horrible,

        But I’m getting more and more comfortable with it now,
        bob ross said There are no mistakes, just happy accidents.

        The gps accuracy gives me a lot of surprises that I begin to enjoy it.

        Ohr never mind, I’ll never use it.

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        • freeheelerF Offline
          freeheeler @zhang965
          last edited by

          @zhang965
          do you get used to it because human gets used to everything or do you learn how to “read” it?

          living sideways

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            johann.fuehrer Bronze Member @zhang965
            last edited by johann.fuehrer

            @zhang965 said in Pros/Cons of Suunto 9 BARO * ONLY * be fair and polite!:

            So why ohr is a con?

            • con: WHR, what for? If I need reliable HR than I NEED a strap, if not - then I don’t need to know my HR anyhow, especially if I’m training by power zones.

            What is a HR shown good for, if it’s wrong (not completely, but if you are wrong +/-5 HR beats near LTHR, it MAKES a difference), too late (interval training, >5secs) or not working at all (swimming) and absolutely unusable for HIIT based on HR (response too much lag)

            For (more or less) steady pace runs, to have some indications where on your personal the HR scale you are: OK, this works.

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              johann.fuehrer Bronze Member @zhang965
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              @zhang965 said in Pros/Cons of Suunto 9 BARO * ONLY * be fair and polite!:

              bob ross said There are no mistakes, just happy LITTLE accidents.

              🙂 nice that am not the only one who watched him 🙂

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              • zhang965Z Offline
                zhang965
                last edited by

                I do understand your con point, if you speak French, you will also understand your con’s meaning

                Btw
                The algorithms for Ohr and chest are different,

                Chest belt can calculate the hr based on actual RR interval

                But ohr has to get an average from a period it’s why we say ohr needs wear it for some minutes before beginning sport

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                  johann.fuehrer Bronze Member @johann.fuehrer
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                  @johann-fuehrer said in Pros/Cons of Suunto 9 BARO * ONLY * be fair and polite!:

                  @zhang965 said in Pros/Cons of Suunto 9 BARO * ONLY * be fair and polite!:

                  bob ross said There are no mistakes, just happy LITTLE accidents.

                  🙂 nice that am not the only one who watched him 🙂

                  @zhang965

                  You have been right: "“We don’t make mistakes – we just have happy accidents.”

                  Mixed up quotes of B.R.

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                  • zhang965Z Offline
                    zhang965
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                    When I begin using S9, my PB of 10k has changed a lot , 45m (a3p and ssu ) to 38m (s9)
                    You know I’m the guy only run once 10k a week at Sunday morning .

                    I thought it because I 'm running quicker, but it actually s9’s gps running quicker than me…

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                    • zhang965Z Offline
                      zhang965
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                      I had some really really bad time with s9, but now it doesn’t matter anymore:
                      s9 is still being developed, s9 is still young, suunto has still time to finish it, new firmware is on the way, unless ssu, three years later of his release, one year in outlet, it still looks like an unfinished watch

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                      • freeheelerF Offline
                        freeheeler @zhang965
                        last edited by

                        @zhang965
                        I’m still not convinced if it’s a good or bad plan to throw a product on the market in test stage and use customers over 3 years time to improve it…
                        or do it like others: secretly test and improve until perfection and then surprise and overwhelm the customers with a big bang

                        living sideways

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                          johann.fuehrer Bronze Member @freeheeler
                          last edited by johann.fuehrer

                          @TELE-HO said in Pros/Cons of Suunto 9 BARO * ONLY * be fair and polite!:

                          @zhang965
                          I’m still not convinced if it’s a good or bad plan to throw a product on the market in test stage and use customers over 3 years time to improve it…

                          Microsoft was doing well with that approach, like IBM, Apple, Google (Android), … and the difference to Suunto is: their (Suunto’s) software usually do NOT crash! But customer feedback is somewhere different than what you cannot get in an “sterile” test environment. The “wild” is always different. And the the test base of Microsoft and Suunto might be slightly different in size…

                          That’s the reason, garmin drops out each beta in the wild, and let customers to the hard work (“but we’ve told you: it BETA!!, sorry for your data…”)

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                          • Saketo NemoS Offline
                            Saketo Nemo Moderator @johann.fuehrer
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                            @johann-fuehrer

                            up to 7 fields per screen, and it’s really handy when you don’t want to play too much with buttons, like when u r riding. possibility to activate energy saving profiles or change the GPS accuracy (or turn it off) during the activity. set repeated directly from the clock. set autolap from the start screen (if I am not mistaken, on ambit, it had to be entered first).
                            And…i’ll think this night, time to sleep 🤭

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                            • Brad_OlwinB Offline
                              Brad_Olwin Moderator
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                              I agree with the oHR feature, it is a problem. Perhaps the watch weight is an issue. I can wear mine where I do not want to partway up my arm and get good oHR. You missed some pro FusedTrack and absolutely amazing battery life, something my Ambits did not have.

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                              • ? Offline
                                A Former User
                                last edited by A Former User

                                pros:

                                • Look
                                • Comfort
                                • Battery life in sport mode with GPS
                                • Vibration
                                • Breadcrumbs
                                • Ability to zoom in navigation mode, but that is somewhat crippled by having to unlock

                                Mixed pros/cons:

                                • Display - higher resolution but worse contrast / visibility
                                • Measures longer, closer to true distance on trails while GPS is less accurate. The reason that happens is because there is some wobbling side to side which kind of compensates cutting through the turns and switchbacks so the distance ends up being slightly truer compared to A3.
                                • Automatic FusedAlti - cool idea in general but it often leads to less accurate elevation gain.
                                • Direction arrows on navigation route - useful but not always working correctly.

                                Everything else - either features I don’t care about or cons.

                                In particular, two strong cons compared to A3P are:

                                • Lack of dedicated Light and View buttons
                                • Can’t see upcoming waypoint details on demand like in A3 (in A3 that is done by pressing View button in navigation screen)
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                                  A Former User
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                                  Here is my point of view and I try to keep a comparison with the Fenix 6x Pro out of this:

                                  Pro:

                                  • Great user interface
                                  • easy usability
                                  • no overload of options/functions
                                  • very good GPS tracks on the mountains in my area (Southern Germany)
                                  • native support for running power

                                  Cons:

                                  • lack of watchface configuration for intervals (e.g. 3 metrics: timer or distance, power, heartrate)
                                  • missing additional data from external sensors in the FIT file
                                  • vibration alarm too less intensity (I sometimes do not recognize it while sleeping)
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                                  • zhang965Z Offline
                                    zhang965
                                    last edited by

                                    The step counter is too sucking to be a con ?

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                                      azeanic
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                                      I ran a 109k race recently and there was a Suunto 9 (me), a Coros Vertix and a Fenix 5 (two other runners) My observations were.

                                      • Suunto 9, the distance was off by quite a bit. I had to probably minus 6-8k off the current distance on the watch to match the course. Saving grace was the navigation and course profile. The estimated time arrival was quite useful as well.
                                      • Fenix 5, had the most accurate distance among the three.
                                      • Coros Vertix, had the best battery life among us 3 at the 60km mark. I had to disable OHR and charge a bit half-way through the race and finished with about 18% after 29.5 hours. Whilst I vaguely remember the Coros has more than enough battery to get to the finish line without a recharge.
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                                      • freeheelerF Offline
                                        freeheeler @azeanic
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                                        @azeanic
                                        never run out of battery says suunto…?!

                                        living sideways

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                                        • sartoricS Offline
                                          sartoric Moderator @azeanic
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                                          @azeanic said in Pros/Cons of Suunto 9 BARO * ONLY * be fair and polite!:

                                          Coros Vertix, had the best battery life among us 3 at the 60km mark. I had to disable OHR and charge a bit half-way through the race and finished with about 18% after 29.5 hours. Whilst I vaguely remember the Coros has more than enough battery to get to the finish line without a recharge.

                                          Out of curiosity, was Coros using OHR and same precision (of course,not the same but equivalent) for GPS ?

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                                          • zhang965Z Offline
                                            zhang965 @azeanic
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                                            @azeanic which GPS precision did you use for the running ? I think it’s a problem with FUSEDTRACK

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