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    Suunto 9 with the recent GPS firmware was among least accurate GPS watches in today's 25K trail race

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    • Dimitrios KanellopoulosD Offline
      Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @zvonejan
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      @zvonejan if it was with only the GPS FW updated yes.

      Unfortunately it’s debug build and I can’t. Let aside that they check FW versions vs SN

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      • Łukasz SzmigielŁ Offline
        Łukasz Szmigiel
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        What can I say - if conditions are right, Suunto 5 is spot on. Apparently two layers of longsleeve covering the watch don’t do much if GNSS signal is strong.

        But - according to Trimble GNSS Planning there were between 8 and 9 GPS satellites visible and between 6 and 7 Galileo satellites and DOP was very low.

        Today’s run with GPS + Galileo:

        Open area:
        Notice top right path being off - I actually run off the embankment and the track is very accurate and consistent.
        Screenshot_20200124-192318.png

        Mixed park / open / low buildings:
        Screenshot_20200124-192414.png

        An old park with plenty of tall trees:
        Screenshot_20200124-192339.png

        S9PP 2.40.44

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        • Mff73M Offline
          Mff73 @Łukasz Szmigiel
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          @Łukasz-Szmigiel
          S5 BARO should be a killer.

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          • stromdiddilyS Offline
            stromdiddily Gold Members @Mff73
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            @Mff73 was hoping that would be the s7. I think a Baro version would kill S9 imo

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              nseslija Bronze Member @stromdiddily
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              @stromdiddily S9B with external antenna… my dream watch…

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              • Łukasz SzmigielŁ Offline
                Łukasz Szmigiel
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                I did some scouting on Beidou availability and it’s pretty impressive - while there are around 5 - 9 GPS, Galileo and GLONASS satellites above Wrocław at any given time, there are between 10 and 14 Beidou sats at the same moment.

                I believe that Beidou support might solve some GNSS problems for people doing workouts in the mountains or dense urban areas.

                S9PP 2.40.44

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                • Dimitrios KanellopoulosD Offline
                  Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @Łukasz Szmigiel
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                  @Łukasz-Szmigiel I think I agree.

                  I have been testing now 2 weeks the new FW , I managed to get bad offsets etc from all systems used except GPS-BEIDOU.

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                  • zvonejanZ Offline
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                    Honestly, i’m quite pleased with the accuracy lately. These are the last 4 training sessions in the forest and the maximum deviations between tracsk is 15 meters. I use a combination of Gps Galileo,. Only gps give worse results. Gps + Glonas results are really bad - unacceptable to me
                    forest1.jpg

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                    • zvonejanZ Offline
                      zvonejan Bronze Member
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                      And last 3 street runs, clear sky. Almost no deviations. I hope, that stays in new FW 🙂
                      street.jpg

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                      • Dimitrios KanellopoulosD Offline
                        Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @zvonejan
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                        @zvonejan I like it that you look at the scale.

                        I have seen people posting:

                        • What a great track -> Line is super thick (polar/Strava) and scale is like 1KM 😄
                        • What a bad traack -> Line is super thin (ok) and scale is like 2m

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                        • zvonejanZ Offline
                          zvonejan Bronze Member @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
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                          @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos

                          Correct 👍 , when i compare tracks, I always zoom to detail and than look at the scale in corner. These are short daily runs during week, perfect for accuracy comparision.

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                            Shrek3k
                            last edited by Shrek3k

                            Just my 2cents with three tracks (short loop, city of Berlin; GPS+Galileo (everything else is worse))

                            not good, just the usual standard

                            Screenshot_20200126-151102_Suunto.jpg

                            not that bad

                            Screenshot_20200126-151135_Suunto.jpg

                            rather good one

                            Screenshot_20200126-151242_Suunto.jpg

                            Newest official GPS software; ‘soaking’ - after reception has been confirmed - for a few minutes each time before starting

                            The loop is approx 2,7 km, and I am always moving along the street / on the sidewalk.

                            Additionally a longer one (22 km, city of Berlin). All in all ok, see the excerpt from the route showing the ‘usual’ short-run-area … not that nice, especially as it decreases at the end of a longer run. Of course: rather challenging area.

                            Screenshot_20200126-152009_Suunto.jpg

                            Screenshot_20200126-152034_Suunto.jpg

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                            • Dimitrios KanellopoulosD Offline
                              Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager
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                              To mention about Gallileo and my experience.

                              The earlier or around noon Galileo at my area has given the best tracks ever:

                              Examples

                              https://photos.app.goo.gl/BVSy8pkRZraKAyah8

                              It includes also todays offset

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                                isazi Moderator @Łukasz Szmigiel
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                                @Łukasz-Szmigiel beidou has 47 satellites in orbit, if I’m not wrong, many more than the other constellations.

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                                • cosme.costaC Offline
                                  cosme.costa @Shrek3k
                                  last edited by

                                  @Shrek3k Well, I do not consider these tracks bad at all, in my opinion are quite good. Maybe my demands on accuracy are low 😕 . I need to raise the bar here 😅

                                  I am pleased with the level of accuracy of the S9B, it still needs improvement but I am happy that Suunto is working on it and it and it seems that we will get a really good level.

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                                  • Łukasz SzmigielŁ Offline
                                    Łukasz Szmigiel @isazi
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                                    @isazi yeah I wasn’t aware of that, it’s pretty impressive. I wonder what will yield better accuracy in practice - 5 Galileo sats or 10 Beidou sats.

                                    S9PP 2.40.44

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                                      ollemelin Bronze Member
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                                      As an GIS-engineer and survey-educated I understand why bad reading accurs. Running around with a reciever on the arm in different positions, and with trees is not ideal for good GNSS-readings.

                                      Iv’e been using suunto watches for years and they Always recorded a bit on the short side compared to Garmin.

                                      Lately iv’e been running with my wife on the same road out and back. She is using garmin 735xt and me S9B (GPS+glonass on both). We measured the distance with high accuracy. Every run with no exeption my Suunto records too short distance.

                                      When I analyze the Pace-data it’s clear that the Garmin get better readings. My suunto shows spikes the whole route. I can also see during the run that the SB9 cannot show correct pace due to bad readings. It the tries to compensate…but my km-splits are then not correct.

                                      I would expect this in the woods here in Sweden but not on roads with clear views.

                                      For me, it doesn really matter in the end, but my opinion is that there is some kind of hard-to-fix-problem with SB9 and GNSS readings.

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                                        Egika Platinum Member @ollemelin
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                                        @ollemelin have you tried using GPS only?
                                        For me Glonass interferes sometimes. GPS only I usually get better results.
                                        Other have reported they get the best accuracy using GPS+Beidou.
                                        Would love to see your results with these here 🙂

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                                        • Łukasz SzmigielŁ Offline
                                          Łukasz Szmigiel
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                                          I always get some zig zagging with glonass. Beidou in my experience is prone to offsetting (which resets after turning directions) but is best in terms of how quickly it gets back on track after some signal loss. But still (even after Beidou introduction) I think that galileo is a monster - to me only galileo will stick to the map perfectly and overlay tracks on top of each other when running the same path twice in the workout. However, in tough terrain, glonass provides the best availability (somehow Beidou is worse in this regard).

                                          In my experience, with my S5 and where I live. Your experience may be different.

                                          Nevertheless - it’s good to check other systems and even try plain GPS as it’s really good after last firmware update.

                                          S9PP 2.40.44

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                                            ollemelin Bronze Member @Egika
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                                            @Egika

                                            I have tried every combo exept the chinese system. Sweden is high altitude which should favor GLONASS but who knows.

                                            Me and the wife also compared on track n Field and her garmin is spot on.

                                            However on long trail-ultras i find my suunto to be accurate over many hours.

                                            I will try Beidou next then.

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