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I think just to add on to the points raised here.
Yes I do agree that some of the feature set like fitness, VO2 Max, etc that seems to be found on the S3F should be available in the flagship S9. I think at the end of the day, the flagship watch, given it’s highest price tag, should encompass all the features, and that that the lower tiered models would have fragments of it. End of the day it’s the athlete who decides whether to use them or not. I think this is something I’ve always admired about Garmin as I used to own a few before jumping over.
That said, I feel that the S9 and Spartan line have so much untapped potential. An example would be the Valencell Optical HRM, which is technically best in class (I think) but at the moment, only displays just HRM data. Would be great if they can used to display HRV data instead, which is a very useful data set to have for recovery.
That said, that’s just my opinion and I do hope to see some improvements down the line. The S9 is still a great watch by far, but lots of work to be done where the watch and app is concerned.
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@azeanic Be careful though, although manufactured by Valencell, the optical sensors of the Spartan and S.x series are not identical. And consider that the inclusion of these sensors in watches responds to a market logic and not technology. Even today optical sensors do not have the reliability of a chest sensor.
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Dcrainmaker also posted preview https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2019/05/suunto-5-everything-you-need-to-know-first-runs.html.
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On the flip side, the Suunto 5 has the following features the Suunto 9 doesn’t:
– Has stress tracking metrics
– Has body resources (aka body battery) metric
– Has sleep quality metrics
– Has V02Max tracking/metrics
– Has adaptive training plansAs I’ve said numerous times before – I simply don’t understand it when a company’s flagship product (Suunto 9) lacks features that a lesser product has. I don’t really even care ‘why’ that is (in this case, likely licensing driven since these are FirstBeat features). All it does is serve to frustrate the very buyers you want most: People who are buying the more expensive thing.
LOL
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its not a lesser product. ITs a product for a different type of person the progress oriented athlete.
The extra $$ that your S9 costs are material costs among others.
Keep in mind the s3 had also these features and I did not see anyone here complain about it before or after buying the s9 right?
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I think many hoped or still hope that these metrics will come to S9 too.
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@moe67er include me as well, but that does not give a reason to flame your product with a new product coming out.
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It’s true that we all knew the S9 was missing these features but somehow I still feel cheated. For sure I am disappointed to see these features coming to a cheaper watch. Sure hope to see them soon on my S9 baro as well. I’ve been a Suunto user for years but all these recent things like moving from Movescount to SA (which lacks very important things) makes me wonder if I should go for another brand next time.
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@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in Suunto 5:
@moe67er include me as well, but that does not give a reason to flame your product with a new product coming out.
Come on dude, nobody will flame a product.
We just consider it as a joke as missing features from flagship model.
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@zhang965 I did not say that one did so
And I am with you. Proud owner of my 9 and 5 and I am like: Do I have to wear both? OMG. -
Given that suunto 5 has licensed firstbeat features, I would be surprised if spartan watches get any sort of hrv, vo2 max or any analysis based on readily available watch data via SA or fw updates in the future. It is just not profitable. Easier to sell almost identical new models with these features. (which are nothing new in competitor watches…).
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@Droro we can do vo2max not liscensed. MC has it
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at least now all Suunto knows about it (the wants of FB features).
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@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos true. I still think stress based hrv is potentially very useful for athletes, and shouldn’t be featured in just a few models given that the data exists for most watches.
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@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos is there any place on this forum or some other forum where we can open topics and feature requests but for watches, not SA? So users can upvote requests in similar manner
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@Dušan-Ković I could allow that and its fine, but atm the purpose of this forum is not it so I am not sure if it will serve more as a placebo. And that would not be nice.
I would not like people to go and vote and then have high hopes.Get what I mean?
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@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos yup, I understand. It would need to be an official place for that stuff. So if users vote for something it would be forwarded to Suunto.
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@jean-william-cousin said in Suunto 5:
Or like on the Polar Vantage something that detects the contact of the skin so that the 24/7 hr consumes less battery if the watch is not worn?
I’d like if it could be that, but on my Trainer, if I remove it and let it on a still surface without turning off 24/7 HR, I will see it flashing regularly…
Also the metal dot position close to the protruding HR does not make for good contact with the skin, unless you wear it so tight that the HR monitor digs into the skin… -
Suunto is the only company where the top end watch has less features (whether good or bad it is another discussion) than every other phone in its lineup (3,5).
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If you all have questions I can help answer them about Suunto 5 vs. Suunto 9.
