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S9 Baro takes very long to find GPS signal before a move

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    cosme.costa @kabzior
    last edited by cosme.costa 29 Oct 2020, 17:44

    @kabzior said in S9 Baro takes very long to find GPS signal before a move:

    @Brad_Olwin Yes, AGPS is there, I always sync before activity and the date of AGPS in settings->info is up to date.
    I charge with wall charger. The only two times I connected watch to PC and Suuntolink was when I was upgrading software.

    I think your problem is that you sync before the activity. The AGPS file needs some minutes to deploy, if you sync just before the activity, when you try to get the GPS lock it is deploying so it is like it is missing but later when you check it, it is up to date, these are my findings and my own experience.

    In my opinion with an AGPS up to 3/4 days old you should not have issues getting a GPS lock in less than a minute and if you sync before the activity do it at least 30 minutes before it.

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      Łukasz Szmigiel @cosme.costa
      last edited by 29 Oct 2020, 18:10

      @cosmecosta if I remember correctly from similar discussions in this forum, the watch needs 15 minutes to extract the data.

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        kabzior Bronze Member @cosme.costa
        last edited by 29 Oct 2020, 21:31

        @cosmecosta said in S9 Baro takes very long to find GPS signal before a move:

        In my opinion with an AGPS up to 3/4 days old you should not have issues getting a GPS lock in less than a minute and if you sync before the activity do it at least 30 minutes before it.

        That is a valuable advice, thank you, will try to do that.

        But on the other hand - if I sync every day before the activity, even if watch needs like 15 mins to process the data, it still has AGPS data from the day before…

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          cosme.costa @kabzior
          last edited by 30 Oct 2020, 10:27

          @kabzior said in S9 Baro takes very long to find GPS signal before a move:

          @cosmecosta said in S9 Baro takes very long to find GPS signal before a move:

          In my opinion with an AGPS up to 3/4 days old you should not have issues getting a GPS lock in less than a minute and if you sync before the activity do it at least 30 minutes before it.

          That is a valuable advice, thank you, will try to do that.

          But on the other hand - if I sync every day before the activity, even if watch needs like 15 mins to process the data, it still has AGPS data from the day before…

          No it doesn’t has the one from the day before, when it is updating it is like there is no AGPS file, at least in my experience.

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            kabzior Bronze Member @cosme.costa
            last edited by 1 Nov 2020, 22:36

            @cosmecosta OK, so I did soft reset once more, synced in the morning and went for a run in the evening. Got GPS fix in exactly 110 seconds, which is worse than before problems began, but still significantly better than 6-7 min that I had for last 2 weeks.

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              Mff73 @kabzior
              last edited by 2 Nov 2020, 06:14

              @kabzior
              After the soft reset, the first fix can be little longe : the reset will aslo reset the “previous” position data (not only AGPS).

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                surfboomerang @kabzior
                last edited by surfboomerang 11 Feb 2020, 06:39 2 Nov 2020, 06:38

                @kabzior Do you select your exercise indoor? In other words, is GPS active indoor? I noticed on my s9 baro that when I select an exercise indoor and then walk out the door it takes sometimes significantly longer to get a fix then when I select an exercise while I am standing outside.
                I’m the last case I almost always get a fix immediately

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                  sartoric Moderator @surfboomerang
                  last edited by sartoric 11 Feb 2020, 10:33 2 Nov 2020, 10:30

                  @surfboomerang
                  Starting the GPS fix inside can be counterproductive as the watch starts looking for the satellites it guess to find based on AGPS and last position, but it can’t (in most cases) as it is indoor so it starts the default search.
                  This can increase the fix time when you go outside and it’s a common GPS “issue”.
                  But I don’t think it’s @kabzior case here

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                    kabzior Bronze Member @Mff73
                    last edited by 6 Nov 2020, 10:00

                    @Mff73 yeah, you are right, the next day after reset watch found fix in about 15 sec, just like when it was brand new 🙂
                    unfortunately day after that it took again about 2 min and yesterday 4-5 min 😞
                    also when entering sport mode watch displayed a message like “sync your watch to suunto app to get best gps accuracy” (never seen that before), but AGPS date in settings was up to date.

                    @surfboomerang @sartoric
                    I do not select activity when indoor, I go outside the building and do that then, usually before I chose my spotify playlist i get fix, but not those last days now.

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                      Mff73 @kabzior
                      last edited by 6 Nov 2020, 10:53

                      @kabzior
                      When GPS fix is long, could it be because you are searching GPS in a new location from last one, and “far” from previous one ? If so, then, GPS fix is also a bit longer, as the watch remember the previous location.

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                        Brad_Olwin Moderator @kabzior
                        last edited by 6 Nov 2020, 22:21

                        @kabzior There might be something wrong, I cannot remember the last time it took me more than 10-20s to get a GPS fix.

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                          surfboomerang @Brad_Olwin
                          last edited by 7 Nov 2020, 06:17

                          @Brad_Olwin same for me. Always a fix in seconds.

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                            kabzior Bronze Member @Mff73
                            last edited by 7 Nov 2020, 16:05

                            @Mff73 said in S9 Baro takes very long to find GPS signal before a move:

                            When GPS fix is long, could it be because you are searching GPS in a new location from last one, and “far” from previous one ? If so, then, GPS fix is also a bit longer, as the watch remember the previous location.

                            That’s not the case, I left home, watch got fix in 20 sec, run to a location, stopped activity, went into building, one hour later left building and in the exact same spot selected activity and fix was not found for about 3 min.

                            @Brad_Olwin said

                            There might be something wrong, I cannot remember the last time it took me more than 10-20s to get a GPS fix.

                            Same for me before all of this started to happen. You think maybe a factory reset should be performed?

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                              sartoric Moderator @kabzior
                              last edited by 7 Nov 2020, 16:09

                              @kabzior said in S9 Baro takes very long to find GPS signal before a move:

                              stopped activity, went into building, one hour later left building and in the exact same spot selected activity and fix was not found for about 3 min.

                              Just to be sure, when you say “stopped” do you really mean it or do you mean “paused” ?

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                                Mi_chael Bronze Member @kabzior
                                last edited by 7 Nov 2020, 17:26

                                @kabzior

                                If it’s a high building, it’s normal.
                                May you can try in clear area like a parc or on football field?

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                                  kabzior Bronze Member @sartoric
                                  last edited by 8 Nov 2020, 11:55

                                  @sartoric said in S9 Baro takes very long to find GPS signal before a move:

                                  Just to be sure, when you say “stopped” do you really mean it or do you mean “paused” ?

                                  I really mean it, I never pause activity.

                                  @Mi_chael said in S9 Baro takes very long to find GPS signal before a move:

                                  May you can try in clear area like a parc or on football field?

                                  OK, will do.

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                                    Phil Powell
                                    last edited by 28 Dec 2020, 11:57

                                    I’m having the same issue. Tried soft reset and agps is showing current date, but locking on to gps is taking anywhere up to 4mins

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                                      Brad_Olwin Moderator @Phil Powell
                                      last edited by 28 Dec 2020, 13:29

                                      @Phil-Powell How long after syncing to the phone did you start the watch, it takes about 15 min to unpack the AGPS data.

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                                        Phil Powell @Brad_Olwin
                                        last edited by 28 Dec 2020, 15:30

                                        @Brad_Olwin thanks for the reply. I’ve tried it just after syncing and sometimes a day or so after the last sync. Today was about 20mins after syncing and didn’t seem to take as long. Only had this s9 a couple of weeks so still getting used to it. Do you recommend syncing it before every time that I’m going to use the gps

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                                          sartoric Moderator @Phil Powell
                                          last edited by 28 Dec 2020, 15:45

                                          @Phil-Powell
                                          Once a day it’s enough as the agps file is updated daily

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