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Suunto 9 with the recent GPS firmware was among least accurate GPS watches in today's 25K trail race

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    Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @surfboomerang
    last edited by 24 Jan 2020, 08:47

    @surfboomerang I have not tested high speeds. Only up to 22km/h that is the fastest j can run.

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      Maryn Silver Members @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
      last edited by 24 Jan 2020, 11:12

      @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos let’s hope that this version stays as a release canditate.

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        surfboomerang @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
        last edited by 24 Jan 2020, 12:03

        @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos I haven’t seen the speed wobbles in my running activities. Only on other profiles. I think it has something to do with a different log algorithm in the running profiles.

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          Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @surfboomerang
          last edited by 24 Jan 2020, 12:05

          @surfboomerang we don’t use anything different (algo) between types.

          It can be though the way you use your arms

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            freeheeler @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
            last edited by 24 Jan 2020, 12:09

            @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos
            like “shocks” from waves and fusedspeed becomes confusedspeed?

            living sideways

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              Shrek3k
              last edited by 24 Jan 2020, 12:11

              I am ready for an improved GPS (+ ×) software, too.
              I a challenging environment (weekdays I am running in Berlin, approx 30% of the route(s) between rather solid and high houses) pure GPS and/or GPS+ Galileo/Glonass are quite often a real disaster and only offering a ‘wobbling’ track. And it does not even help to activate the exercise type and wait for a few minutes after the position has been found(yes, minutes, which currently is not too cozy 😉 )

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                Fenr1r @freeheeler
                last edited by 24 Jan 2020, 12:13

                @TELE-HO said in Suunto 9 with the recent GPS firmware was among least accurate GPS watches in today's 25K trail race:

                confusedspeed

                Bravo. Better than any Friday deserves.

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                  Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @freeheeler
                  last edited by 24 Jan 2020, 12:15

                  @TELE-HO GPS no. Speed distance yes though 😄 Only if GPS is off / lost / bad.

                  There is also confusedTrack BTW 😄

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                    nseslija Bronze Member @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
                    last edited by 24 Jan 2020, 12:19

                    @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos Interesting, I was convinced that there is different GPS algo for different sport modes… open water and cycling, for example…

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                      Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @nseslija
                      last edited by 24 Jan 2020, 12:22

                      @nseslija well I said something wrong.

                      For cycling/running no diff.

                      For open water only yes there is a special mode.

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                        nseslija Bronze Member @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
                        last edited by 24 Jan 2020, 12:24

                        @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos ok, tnx

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                          zvonejan Bronze Member @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
                          last edited by zvonejan 24 Jan 2020, 16:55

                          @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in Suunto 9 with the recent GPS firmware was among least accurate GPS watches in today's 25K trail race:

                          @surfboomerang I have not tested high speeds. Only up to 22km/h that is the fastest j can run.

                          Can you share this FW? I take all responsibility myself if anything goes wrong.

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                            Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @zvonejan
                            last edited by 24 Jan 2020, 17:30

                            @zvonejan if it was with only the GPS FW updated yes.

                            Unfortunately it’s debug build and I can’t. Let aside that they check FW versions vs SN

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                              Łukasz Szmigiel
                              last edited by Łukasz Szmigiel 24 Jan 2020, 21:02

                              What can I say - if conditions are right, Suunto 5 is spot on. Apparently two layers of longsleeve covering the watch don’t do much if GNSS signal is strong.

                              But - according to Trimble GNSS Planning there were between 8 and 9 GPS satellites visible and between 6 and 7 Galileo satellites and DOP was very low.

                              Today’s run with GPS + Galileo:

                              Open area:
                              Notice top right path being off - I actually run off the embankment and the track is very accurate and consistent.
                              Screenshot_20200124-192318.png

                              Mixed park / open / low buildings:
                              Screenshot_20200124-192414.png

                              An old park with plenty of tall trees:
                              Screenshot_20200124-192339.png

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                                Mff73 @Łukasz Szmigiel
                                last edited by 25 Jan 2020, 12:17

                                @Łukasz-Szmigiel
                                S5 BARO should be a killer.

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                                  stromdiddily Gold Members @Mff73
                                  last edited by 26 Jan 2020, 06:39

                                  @Mff73 was hoping that would be the s7. I think a Baro version would kill S9 imo

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                                    nseslija Bronze Member @stromdiddily
                                    last edited by 26 Jan 2020, 09:10

                                    @stromdiddily S9B with external antenna… my dream watch…

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                                      Łukasz Szmigiel
                                      last edited by 26 Jan 2020, 13:20

                                      I did some scouting on Beidou availability and it’s pretty impressive - while there are around 5 - 9 GPS, Galileo and GLONASS satellites above Wrocław at any given time, there are between 10 and 14 Beidou sats at the same moment.

                                      I believe that Beidou support might solve some GNSS problems for people doing workouts in the mountains or dense urban areas.

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                                        Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @Łukasz Szmigiel
                                        last edited by 26 Jan 2020, 13:45

                                        @Łukasz-Szmigiel I think I agree.

                                        I have been testing now 2 weeks the new FW , I managed to get bad offsets etc from all systems used except GPS-BEIDOU.

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                                          zvonejan Bronze Member
                                          last edited by 26 Jan 2020, 13:46

                                          Honestly, i’m quite pleased with the accuracy lately. These are the last 4 training sessions in the forest and the maximum deviations between tracsk is 15 meters. I use a combination of Gps Galileo,. Only gps give worse results. Gps + Glonas results are really bad - unacceptable to me
                                          forest1.jpg

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