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Suunto 9 with the recent GPS firmware was among least accurate GPS watches in today's 25K trail race

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    Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @Łukasz Szmigiel
    last edited by Dimitrios Kanellopoulos 23 Jan 2020, 21:19

    @Łukasz-Szmigiel FYI that is not stable nor something a normal person would benefit from.

    As soon, and as across countries and continents, we can pass several tests we can say that it’s a safe FW to go ahead with.

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      nseslija Bronze Member @isazi
      last edited by 23 Jan 2020, 21:42

      @isazi now that you’ve mentioned, I also had one of the best GPS tracks this last weekend while hiking… with GLONASS although…

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        surfboomerang @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
        last edited by 23 Jan 2020, 21:44

        @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in Suunto 9 with the recent GPS firmware was among least accurate GPS watches in today's 25K trail race:

        Perhaps if posting here we can revive mr SilventVoyager

        I can share that the latest FW for the Sony chip on both S9/S5 performs oustanding.

        Regarding distance, I always get more than Stryd , road or trail. Personal. But about 0.05-0.15 to A3

        😳 😍 Can’t wait.
        Are the speed spikes/wobbles also fixed on higher speeds? It got way better in the current firmware, but there is room for improvement as it still fails sometimes

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          Łukasz Szmigiel @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
          last edited by 23 Jan 2020, 22:08

          @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos always good to hear that new firmware is being tested and its results are promising. Awesome!

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            Brad_Olwin Moderator @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
            last edited by 23 Jan 2020, 22:53

            @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in Suunto 9 with the recent GPS firmware was among least accurate GPS watches in today's 25K trail race:

            Perhaps if posting here we can revive mr SilventVoyager

            I can share that the latest FW for the Sony chip on both S9/S5 performs oustanding.

            Regarding distance, I always get more than Stryd , road or trail. Personal. But about 0.05-0.15 to A3

            I can confirm way @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos as I have been Field-testing the new firmware. We both agree the GPS is much better.

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              azeanic
              last edited by 24 Jan 2020, 07:33

              Can confirm the latest GPS firmware is a lot better than previous iterations. I’m using Stryd for distance, so not sure about actual distance accuracy. But tracks are a lot cleaner and closer to where I’m actually running.

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                Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @surfboomerang
                last edited by 24 Jan 2020, 08:47

                @surfboomerang I have not tested high speeds. Only up to 22km/h that is the fastest j can run.

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                  Maryn Silver Members @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
                  last edited by 24 Jan 2020, 11:12

                  @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos let’s hope that this version stays as a release canditate.

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                    surfboomerang @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
                    last edited by 24 Jan 2020, 12:03

                    @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos I haven’t seen the speed wobbles in my running activities. Only on other profiles. I think it has something to do with a different log algorithm in the running profiles.

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                      Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @surfboomerang
                      last edited by 24 Jan 2020, 12:05

                      @surfboomerang we don’t use anything different (algo) between types.

                      It can be though the way you use your arms

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                        freeheeler @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
                        last edited by 24 Jan 2020, 12:09

                        @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos
                        like “shocks” from waves and fusedspeed becomes confusedspeed?

                        living sideways

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                          Shrek3k
                          last edited by 24 Jan 2020, 12:11

                          I am ready for an improved GPS (+ ×) software, too.
                          I a challenging environment (weekdays I am running in Berlin, approx 30% of the route(s) between rather solid and high houses) pure GPS and/or GPS+ Galileo/Glonass are quite often a real disaster and only offering a ‘wobbling’ track. And it does not even help to activate the exercise type and wait for a few minutes after the position has been found(yes, minutes, which currently is not too cozy 😉 )

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                            Fenr1r @freeheeler
                            last edited by 24 Jan 2020, 12:13

                            @TELE-HO said in Suunto 9 with the recent GPS firmware was among least accurate GPS watches in today's 25K trail race:

                            confusedspeed

                            Bravo. Better than any Friday deserves.

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                              Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @freeheeler
                              last edited by 24 Jan 2020, 12:15

                              @TELE-HO GPS no. Speed distance yes though 😄 Only if GPS is off / lost / bad.

                              There is also confusedTrack BTW 😄

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                                nseslija Bronze Member @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
                                last edited by 24 Jan 2020, 12:19

                                @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos Interesting, I was convinced that there is different GPS algo for different sport modes… open water and cycling, for example…

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                                  Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @nseslija
                                  last edited by 24 Jan 2020, 12:22

                                  @nseslija well I said something wrong.

                                  For cycling/running no diff.

                                  For open water only yes there is a special mode.

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                                    nseslija Bronze Member @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
                                    last edited by 24 Jan 2020, 12:24

                                    @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos ok, tnx

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                                      zvonejan Bronze Member @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
                                      last edited by zvonejan 24 Jan 2020, 16:55

                                      @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in Suunto 9 with the recent GPS firmware was among least accurate GPS watches in today's 25K trail race:

                                      @surfboomerang I have not tested high speeds. Only up to 22km/h that is the fastest j can run.

                                      Can you share this FW? I take all responsibility myself if anything goes wrong.

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                                        Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @zvonejan
                                        last edited by 24 Jan 2020, 17:30

                                        @zvonejan if it was with only the GPS FW updated yes.

                                        Unfortunately it’s debug build and I can’t. Let aside that they check FW versions vs SN

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                                          Łukasz Szmigiel
                                          last edited by Łukasz Szmigiel 24 Jan 2020, 21:02

                                          What can I say - if conditions are right, Suunto 5 is spot on. Apparently two layers of longsleeve covering the watch don’t do much if GNSS signal is strong.

                                          But - according to Trimble GNSS Planning there were between 8 and 9 GPS satellites visible and between 6 and 7 Galileo satellites and DOP was very low.

                                          Today’s run with GPS + Galileo:

                                          Open area:
                                          Notice top right path being off - I actually run off the embankment and the track is very accurate and consistent.
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                                          Mixed park / open / low buildings:
                                          Screenshot_20200124-192414.png

                                          An old park with plenty of tall trees:
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