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Disappointing Sleep tracking after new update

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    Mff73 @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
    last edited by 1 Dec 2023, 08:13

    @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in Disappointing Sleep tracking after new update:

    Just fyi to all here. This topic is tracked to improve the current solution.

    So my ask is only to keep the scope and add any valuable feedback if possible.

    Hi,
    any clue of what could be a valuable feedback ? anything in particular to test or note ?
    I think it is not useful to tell each morning how many awake hours we have which seems not right (i speak for myself only) ?
    I have this night 1h33 awake time, while i am pretty sure to sleep well (still i was awake twice to just go the toilets and fall asleep surely quickly( not remembering waiting too much).
    Any particular technical insight for suunto to “investigate” ?

    Suunto Spartan Ultra (since 2016) FW: 2.8.24 (retired)
    Suunto Vertical all black
    Wife : S9PP
    SA: Always the latest beta :)
    Android 13, Galaxy S205G

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      SuuntoR Bronze Member @Mff73
      last edited by 1 Dec 2023, 08:38

      @Mff73

      For me the biggest gaps between Suunto Race (I know im in a wrog thread but propably the same alghoritms) and Oura ring have been those “falling back to sleep” misses with suunto. For example if my son wakes me up in the early morning but we both fall back asleep, SR has quite often thought that I have started my day then. But SR did get a new update yesterday and at least this morning also SR understood that after picking up some milk to my son (so i stood up etc) and going back to sleep, I really fell asleep again. So only one night, but it seems promising with SR for me at least 🙂

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        Iggge
        last edited by Iggge 12 Jan 2023, 09:56 1 Dec 2023, 09:55

        Did talk again with Suunto yesterday. Now they told my to set my HR higher, so I did
        From 50 before to now 65. Same results. Sleep is 3 hours and 35 min when in reality I went to bed 2320, was asleep before midnight and then woke up at 0600.
        However this night I had to go up to fetch some medicine to my daughter, and after that I went back to sleep at 0450. Took about 1 min and after that my watch thinks that that was morning for me and did not record any more sleep.
        I’ll trybit again tonight to see if it works better

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          Likarnik Bronze Member @Iggge
          last edited by 1 Dec 2023, 10:06

          Are you guys pressing any buttons to check time during sleep hours?

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            Mff73 @Likarnik
            last edited by 1 Dec 2023, 10:07

            @Likarnik said in Disappointing Sleep tracking after new update:

            Are you guys pressing any buttons to check time during sleep hours?

            yes, just the middle one, to activate backlight, not to fall in the night 🙂

            Suunto Spartan Ultra (since 2016) FW: 2.8.24 (retired)
            Suunto Vertical all black
            Wife : S9PP
            SA: Always the latest beta :)
            Android 13, Galaxy S205G

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              Likarnik Bronze Member @Mff73
              last edited by 1 Dec 2023, 10:29

              @Mff73 can this be connected to wake hours? I use my phone to light my way to the WC 🙂 Just food for thought…

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                Mff73 @Likarnik
                last edited by Mff73 12 Jan 2023, 10:50 1 Dec 2023, 10:41

                @Likarnik
                it can for sure.
                I checked deeper in my history, and i may now think that MY sleep tracking is just not good since i switched from S9PP to SV (mid May) and maybe finally not really linked to latest FW.

                Screenshot_20231201_114346_Suunto.jpg

                [Edit] and with S9PP i used also a middle button to backlight during awake times 😉

                Suunto Spartan Ultra (since 2016) FW: 2.8.24 (retired)
                Suunto Vertical all black
                Wife : S9PP
                SA: Always the latest beta :)
                Android 13, Galaxy S205G

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                  Iggge @Likarnik
                  last edited by 1 Dec 2023, 11:43

                  @Likarnik i am not pressing any buttons (what I am aware of)

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                    jannis Bronze Member @Mads Hintz-Madsen
                    last edited by 1 Dec 2023, 16:32

                    @Mads-Hintz-Madsen thank you! Almost, as this is the average heart rate. I wish they would show the minimum heart rate for a longer time period than just the last 7 days.

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                      SuperFlo75 Silver Members Bronze Member @Likarnik
                      last edited by 1 Dec 2023, 23:05

                      @Likarnik I don‘t press any Button during the night, because I‘m afraid this could let the watch think I want to get up…😂

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                        Mff73
                        last edited by 2 Dec 2023, 06:53

                        No button press this night (i didn’t fall 🙂 ), and 5h29 awaken time.
                        So, nothing new.
                        Next week i will try to sleep with SV + S9PP and see.

                        Suunto Spartan Ultra (since 2016) FW: 2.8.24 (retired)
                        Suunto Vertical all black
                        Wife : S9PP
                        SA: Always the latest beta :)
                        Android 13, Galaxy S205G

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                          Dušan Ković
                          last edited by 2 Dec 2023, 07:07

                          This is second night after the update. I think the sleep tracking improved. Last night was spot on.

                          Screenshot_20231202-080440.png

                          We will see in the next few nights how it will work, but it looks like it works well.

                          SR
                          SA latest beta
                          Polar Verity Sense
                          Pixel 6

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                            Mads Hintz-Madsen @Dušan Ković
                            last edited by 2 Dec 2023, 07:18

                            @Dušan-Ković I think that you are talking about the Race. This thread is for the Vertical which uses different algorithm. Just wanted to point this out to avoid any confusion 😊

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                              Iggge
                              last edited by Iggge 12 Feb 2023, 13:44 2 Dec 2023, 09:14

                              This time i think The watch actually got it 90% right ✅️
                              Only thing that is wrong is when I went to sleep. It’s about 30-45 min wrong. But this is acceptable for me.
                              This night i actually did put The watch on my under arm, and it seems to have made the trick.
                              Screenshot_20231202_100830_Suunto.jpg

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                                Dušan Ković @Mads Hintz-Madsen
                                last edited by 2 Dec 2023, 13:11

                                @Mads-Hintz-Madsen oh, sorry, I somehow switched parts of the forum 😄

                                SR
                                SA latest beta
                                Polar Verity Sense
                                Pixel 6

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                                  Tieutieu Platinum Member @Mff73
                                  last edited by Tieutieu 12 Feb 2023, 13:48 2 Dec 2023, 13:20

                                  @Mff73 said in Disappointing Sleep tracking after new update:

                                  No button press this night (i didn’t fall 🙂 ), and 5h29 awaken time.
                                  So, nothing new.
                                  Next week i will try to sleep with SV + S9PP and see.

                                  Sleep tracking still ok for me with my SV. And I sometimes press buttons at night to look at the time (I have “do no disturb” activated at night), it has never stopped the tracking or shortened my nights.

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                                  Vertical titanium solar
                                  Suunto Race S
                                  S9pp titanium sand
                                  Suunto Wing
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                                    tiago Bronze Member @Tieutieu
                                    last edited by 2 Dec 2023, 14:33

                                    @Tieutieu I think it could be like the trend in the Suunto Race,CTL ATL and TSS differences between watch and app, affect some users others not. Don’t know the why,if for some people,in my case, works properly,for others not. It’s related with the new proprietary algorithms from Suunto,and if is a problem who won’t affect everyone is harder to track.

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                                      Iggge
                                      last edited by 3 Dec 2023, 09:11

                                      Seems like I have have solved the problem by wearing the watch like this.
                                      Two days now and it’s showing correct values

                                      20231203_100941.jpg

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                                        peegee @Mff73
                                        last edited by 3 Dec 2023, 12:12

                                        @Mff73 last night I broke the negative sleep record, l slept for 8h, got up twice during the night, did not press any buttons at all. SV showed 1:04h sleep and that I fell asleep at 05:25am. Which doesn’t make any sense at all… I didn’t get up at this time and wasn’t awake…
                                        Maybe I just dreamt I was asleep 🤣

                                        Been with a Suunto on my wrist since Ambit2
                                        Currently alternating between Race titanium & Vertical titanium solar.
                                        Would love a Vertical with amoled display.

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                                          Iggge
                                          last edited by Iggge 12 Apr 2023, 13:31 4 Dec 2023, 05:35

                                          Another update: This night it faild, and big!
                                          Went to sleep late at 2350, and up 0615.
                                          Total sleep according to watch: 1 hour and 43 min.

                                          Will wait for next update. If it don’t work after that I’ll sell it 😕

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