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    S9 (2.4.14) 'Calibrate FusedTrack' interface problem. Suunto Case #01853829

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    • Brad_OlwinB Offline
      Brad_Olwin Moderator @kolyany4
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      @kolyany4 said in S9 (2.4.14) 'Calibrate FusedTrack' interface problem. Suunto Case #01853829:

      @Brad_Olwin said in S9 (2.4.14) 'Calibrate FusedTrack' interface problem. Suunto Case #01853829:

      @kolyany4 Wait to switch to Endurance or Ultra mode until you are in the park. I do calibrate mine in town but we do not have tall buildings. Start on Performance and switch in the park or start in the park on Ultra mode. Do a soft reset since last run before the next. If that does not work we need to try a hard reset.

      If soft reset can be done by “keeping 12+ seconds of upper button”,
      then how hard reset is done? By reflashing?

      Yes, try soft reset first. May take a few days to test. We don’t want to hard reset unless we have to.

      If that does not work I think Dimitrios can help get another watch. I have tested 2 different watches without this problem.

      Do you mean (try to get) third watch? 😕

      If you are getting recalibrate every 100m there is an issue but reinstall old firmware or new if Dimitrios can first. If all fails then maybe is hardware but I doubt it is hardware as it would have to be compass, accelerometer or GPS chip, right?

      Vector/T6c/Ambit 3 Peak/S5 Copper/S3/S7 Ti/S9 baro Ti/S9P Ti/S9PP Ti/Vertical Ti/Race Ti/RaceS/Ocean/Wing

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      • kolyany4K Offline
        kolyany4 Bronze Member @Brad_Olwin
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        @Brad_Olwin

        If all fails then maybe is hardware but I doubt it is hardware as it would have to be compass, accelerometer or GPS chip, right?

        If you enter Navigation->Compass, how often watch asks you to perform calibration? How long it should keep its calibrated state?

        Recently I saw odd behavior on new watch (like I did on old one) in indoor:
        in Navigation->Compass mode: Arrow pointing to North were seems to be stuck (it hasn’t changed its direction though I have rotated my watch) for a several dozens seconds, after that compass recalibration screen has appeared… Don’t know, if this case matters…

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        • Mff73M Offline
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          Maybe odd question : don’t you have something metalic or magnetic on your hand ?

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          • sartoricS Offline
            sartoric Moderator @Mff73
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            @Mff73 said in S9 (2.4.14) 'Calibrate FusedTrack' interface problem. Suunto Case #01853829:

            Maybe odd question : don’t you have something metalic or magnetic on your hand ?

            I was about to ask if he had some kind of arm surgery and nails still inside 😁

            It sounds stupid but yet possible

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            • Brad_OlwinB Offline
              Brad_Olwin Moderator @kolyany4
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              @kolyany4 said in S9 (2.4.14) 'Calibrate FusedTrack' interface problem. Suunto Case #01853829:

              @Brad_Olwin

              If all fails then maybe is hardware but I doubt it is hardware as it would have to be compass, accelerometer or GPS chip, right?

              If you enter Navigation->Compass, how often watch asks you to perform calibration? How long it should keep its calibrated state?

              Recently I saw odd behavior on new watch (like I did on old one) in indoor:
              in Navigation->Compass mode: Arrow pointing to North were seems to be stuck (it hasn’t changed its direction though I have rotated my watch) for a several dozens seconds, after that compass recalibration screen has appeared… Don’t know, if this case matters…

              I do not know either, I rarely use the compass and certainly not indoors as it will not function appropriately in a building. I would test the compass outside, clear of buildings, similar to what you would do for calibration of FusedTrack.

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              • plopes73P Offline
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                Hi,
                Reading all these posts, I just remember to ask if there is some strong magnectic field in the area, like a big train interface, high voltage electrical post,…
                I remember when I own a Suunto Spartan Trainer WHR and when I run near by an electrical train interface, the GPS and sometimes even the HR monitor went crazy, for some meters.


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                • kolyany4K Offline
                  kolyany4 Bronze Member
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                  No surgery, No electric lines…

                  However, I feel really extremely stupid and very sorry about what I’m going to say:

                  I forgot about my gloves I love to wear in cold weather:
                  images.jpg

                  To be specific, I completely forgot that it contains teeny-weeny magnetic parts… [facepalm]

                  NB. As an excuse I can say that those often requests for compass recalibration happened indoors as well, and cases, when north pointing arrow on compass got stuck, I get when no such gloves were around me…

                  I’ll do tests today and let you know about results.

                  PS. Most tricky to found bugs are almost always related to things we are most sure of.

                  pps. I’m still banging my head on a wall…

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                  • kolyany4K Offline
                    kolyany4 Bronze Member
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                    Just finished another run with all possible magnets stripped off my clothes using Custom Mode with GPS = OK.

                    Preliminary results looks very promising:
                    5.03 km (from watch) vs 5.32 km (from smartphone app).
                    And, most importantly (for me), start and finish points are located where they expected to be.

                    from watch:
                    Screenshot_20181229-103315.png

                    actual track:
                    Screenshot_20181229-103222.png

                    I’ll keep checking results in next runs…

                    I was wondering, could we avoid all this mess, caused by me, for which I’m really-really sorry, if a watch

                    1. had some kind of ‘use straight line between GPS-acquired-points instead of requesting recalibration action’ option to avoid completely messed track;

                    2. had some kind of magnet field detection mode which one could use to check his/her clothes/gear (sometimes rented) in order to find any emanation source that would jeopardize proper work of a watch.

                    @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos , I’m really-really sorry for all inconvenience I’ve caused, but what do you think about ideas above?

                    ps. I’m still banging my head on a wall…

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                    • sartoricS Offline
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                      At least we finally sorted the mystery out.

                      😄

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                      • Dimitrios KanellopoulosD Offline
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                        by far the most interesting thread in the forum

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                        • sartoricS Offline
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                          @kolyany4
                          Out of curiosity, what’s the purpose of the mini magnet? Fastener?

                          @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos
                          This thread should be forwarded to support 😄

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                            @sartoric said in S9 (2.4.14) 'Calibrate FusedTrack' interface problem. Suunto Case #01853829:

                            @kolyany4
                            Out of curiosity, what’s the purpose of the mini magnet? Fastener?

                            It keeps “finger cover” fixed/attached to outer side of palm when cover is “opened”.
                            This cover allows my gloves to be used as mitten (in really cold weather) or glove with opened fingers.

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                              @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in S9 (2.4.14) 'Calibrate FusedTrack' interface problem. Suunto Case #01853829:

                              by far the most interesting thread in the forum

                              Perhaps, Suunto support should be notified about following hint:

                              one should use watch in Compass mode (after compass has been calibrated) as a detector of magnetic field or metal construction.

                              Move your watch (with active Compass) in the vicinity of your gear/clothes/whatever. If your watch instead of showing compass will ask you to ‘Calibrate compass’, then you’ve found source of your possible problems with Compass, hence jeopardized FusedTrack functionality, and messed your tracks, as a result, whenever watch will get close to that source … 😉

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                                @kolyany4 said in S9 (2.4.14) 'Calibrate FusedTrack' interface problem. Suunto Case #01853829:

                                @sartoric said in S9 (2.4.14) 'Calibrate FusedTrack' interface problem. Suunto Case #01853829:

                                @kolyany4
                                Out of curiosity, what’s the purpose of the mini magnet? Fastener?

                                It keeps “finger cover” fixed/attached to outer side of palm when cover is “opened”.
                                This cover allows my gloves to be used as mitten (in really cold weather) or glove with opened fingers.

                                Oh I see … That’s why I like the good ol’ buttons or velcro 😁

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                                  @sartoric >

                                  Oh I see … That’s why I like the good ol’ buttons or velcro 😁

                                  Are you sure those buttons can pass given above hint with Compass test? 😉

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                                  • Brad_OlwinB Offline
                                    Brad_Olwin Moderator @kolyany4
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                                    @kolyany4 I miss all of the fun when I am asleep:). I have very similar gloves but they fasten with Velcro not magnets… I am happy to hear that the problems may be solved. Magnets on many items these days are very strong and I can see how a magnet close to the watch would disrupt the compass. Good to know.

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                                    • Markus FischbacherM Offline
                                      Markus Fischbacher
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                                      Awesome topic 😎
                                      Good to know, because I also wanted to buy such gloves 😉

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                                      • kolyany4K Offline
                                        kolyany4 Bronze Member
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                                        Today had another run. Results are OK (5.33 km vs 5.14 km).
                                        However, another bug was found. But this one is related to “SA -> Strava” autosync:
                                        https://forum.suunto.com/topic/1651/3-54-2-sa-strava-wrong-autosync-moving-time

                                        from watch:
                                        Screenshot_20181230-104429.png

                                        from smartphone:
                                        Screenshot_20181230-105319.png

                                        ps. I would make screenshot images to appear smaller in my messages, if I knew how to do it using only forum tools…

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                                        • Dimitrios KanellopoulosD Offline
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                                          Track looks quite OK

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