Suunto Smart Heart Rate Belt 2

Egika

@querro7 said:

@Egika any news on this bug with Suunto 9 ? Belt is still not working

The fact is known. But obviously not easy to solve.
At the bottom of the SHRM2 website the compatibility is listed as follows:

Plus from internal tests SHRM2 is also compatible with:

Suunto 9 Peak
Suunto 5
Spartan Trainer WHR
Spartan Sport WHRB
Karoo2
and other devices I won’t list here.

bubuche

@martintrail This is in the app description: it uses metrics sent by the watch and does not connect to the belt. So same limitations than the watch.

VoiGAS

@bubuche Ok, that makes sense. Hopefully a “real” S+ app for the HRB2 will be released then - or an update for V1

cosme.costa

@VoiGAS From what I have understand in the Telegram Channel (info from Suunto’s people there is a bit boogy, so you can only guess) is that the compatibility for this metrics in Race and Race S was introduced in their last firmware update. This makes me believe that some code in the bluetooth needs to be updated in the SV1 to read these values because, if I’m not mistaken Race do not have running metrics embedded in the watch.
I hope that eventually something will come to teh SV1 and the Suunto App (which right now is not able to read the metrics) because if not I think the new belt is only intended to improve what the watches already have…I would buy it if I can get these metrics, if not I will continue using the Heart Rate Belt 1.

matram

Anyone compared GCT from belt with GCT from watch?

My first run with the belt gave a 45% higher GCT from the belt.

Inge Nallsson

@cosme.costa said:

if I’m not mistaken Race do not have running metrics embedded in the watch

Correct. A cracked rib and sprained ankle prevents me from trying it on my Race S, but here’s a picture guide of the whole chain necessary to see Live data in Running sessions. After pairing the SHRM2 to both the watch and the Suunto App, the main switch at App [upper left hand corner HR icon] -> “Running form monitoring” must be turned “On”. It is “Off” by default, to save battery:

The SuuntoPlus SHRM2 Tracker downloaded, installed and turned on in the watch session menu, eg. Running -> SuuntoPlus -> SHRM2 Tracker

Finally making sure the “Running form” data is received by the watch. On the Race S this switch was ‘On’ by default, even when the main switch in the App was “Off”:

The firmware update you understood having introduced this compatibility is smart enough to not show the “Running form” switch in any Walking session - to me that is a good sign.

Egika

@cosme.costa said:
if I’m not mistaken Race do not have running metrics embedded in the watch.

The information from the Suunto SHRM2 website states that running form IS available in Suunto race.
See screenshot here: https://forum.suunto.com/post/197873

Inge Nallsson

@matram said:

My first run with the belt gave a 45% higher GCT from the belt

My only experiences with ‘running dynamics’ are from Garmin watches and peripherals, where the data differs significantly when it came from a pod placed at the back of running shorts/pants, a HR breast belt pod or directly from a watch. Ray Maker (dcrainmaker) wrote a whole essay about this fact several years ago.

Edit: Also have experience with two generations of Stryd foot pods (though not the latest which can be used on both feet to show ‘Balance’).

Inge Nallsson

@Egika said:

running form IS available in Suunto race.

The question was “embedded in the watch”. That is native. First generation Race and Race S does not have that…

Egika

@Inge-Nallsson said:

@Egika said:

running form IS available in Suunto race.

The question was “embedded in the watch”. That is native. First generation Race and Race S does not have that…

I currently don’t have a Race here, but you are saying, that the running form metrics are not recorded by Race and Race S?
Not sure what you mean by “native”. If the watch is receiving the extra data, then it is native. If the watch is not receiving the extra data, then it is not available (like in Vertical).
In between these two could possibly be an S+ app, that connects to the belt on a separate BT channel and reveives those data. That is, what I would call “not native”. Currently an app like this does not exist, afaik.

Inge Nallsson

@Egika said:

but you are saying, that the running form metrics are not recorded by Race and Race S?

No, what I am saying (and how I interpreted the question), is that Suunto Run, Run2, Race2 and Vertical2 all have native running dynamics coming from sensors in the watch itself. They do not need the SHRM2 to show this data.

Race, and Race S both need the external hardware of an SHRM2.

matram

@Inge-Nallsson
Thanks for the tip. Here is a link to dcrainmaker comparison if anyone is interested.

https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2017/02/running-efficiency-showdown.html

There are for sure differences but not as large as what I was seeing. Mybe time to dig out my Stryd pods for a comparison.

snow*

@Inge-Nallsson Unfortunately, I haven’t tried using Dynamics yet, but I also understand that you need the S+ app to view real-time data on the watch. If you don’t use the S+ app, you can still view the data later in the SA.

cosme.costa

@Egika This I know.
What I was trying to say is that the ability in the Race and Race S to read these metrics from the new HR belt was enabled in their last firmware update, the one that the SV1 didn’t receive. This makes me believe that can be enabled in the SV1 too.

Belial

UPS dropped off my new Suunto Smart Heart Rate Belt 2 today

First proper test this evening. Really curious to see what Suunto got right this time — and what they didn’t

Egika

@Inge-Nallsson said:

@Egika said:

but you are saying, that the running form metrics are not recorded by Race and Race S?

No, what I am saying (and how I interpreted the question), is that Suunto Run, Run2, Race2 and Vertical2 all have native running dynamics coming from sensors in the watch itself. They do not need the SHRM2 to show this data.

Race, and Race S both need the external hardware of an SHRM2.

thank you for your patience. Now I understand
Now just to add:
The built in running dynamics of the watches have less metrics than the belt.

Stefano M64

Hi, I’m wondering if the additional data provided by the new belt is planned to be used for the running activity only, or if they will be implemented for other activities too

Inge Nallsson

@matram said:

Here is a link to dcrainmaker comparison

Yeah, that is a good comparison between different (old) devices, though mostly foot-based. I also have memories of comparisons between wrist and other body placements of the sensors but perhaps I’ve muddled the memory into one single study…

What I distinctly remember from my own experiments is that terrain variation plays a big part when comparing wrist vs torso measurement (less between torso vs foot). Meaning better alignment the flatter and smoother the path. But your 45% higher GCT seems a bit excessive.

Jugger

I tried my new belt today for first time for commuting to work with bike. Just 10 mins one way and everything was working perfect.

Only one question popped to my mind. Why can I see cadence on biking exercise? Does new sensor pick up some data from biking too? It’s not mentioned anywhere. I saw it afterwards In SA. I was wearing only belt and watch.

SergioB

@Stefano-M64 nice question! IMO it would be really nice if Suunto implements something for swimming too 🤩