Difference between Running Performance Index and est. VO2

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@mario_b I can be wrong. But afai https://www.firstbeat.com/en/consumer-product/suunto/ambit3/

There is VO2max as far as I can remember that is FirstBeat. I am not sure a bout the est. Vo2. PErhaps someone else can help

mario_b

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos yes kind of right. the running performance is licensed from firstbeat which is calculation the VO2max.
https://www.suunto.com/Support/Product-support/suunto_ambit3_peak/suunto_ambit3_peak/features/running-performance-level/
suunto does not call it VO2max because they say its not the Vo2max in your blood alone but also how effective your running style is.
for example: all my uploaded old garmin activities gets an VO2 indication but not the running performance index. estimated VO2 must be an suunto propriety value of speed and heart rate.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@mario_b I believe you

Here is the funny thing that confuses me.

Spartan has est VO2 -> Ok Suunto thingy
S5 (that is firstbeat) has also a thing called est VO2max.

Do you think that the difference is on est VO2max vs estVO2 ?

To be honest now I am more confused.

zhang965

the Vo2 in watch is firstbeat licensed

In SC est vo2 is not

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@zhang965 Indeed that can be

mario_b

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos
as i understood the firstbeat metrics are not named the same by the companies using it:
example: all the same
firstbeat: Body resources
sunnto 5: rescources
Garmin: body battery

firstbeat: VO2max Fitness level
ambit3: running performance index
Garmin (Fenix 5): VO2max
suunto 5: VO2max

estimated VO2 (it does not tell “max”) as i found out, is an suunto propriety form of current heart rate and pace. and can be tracked even with the phone and heart rate belt. it does not tell you the maximum oxygen your body can consume on highest level, it rater gives you an estimating of how many oxygen ml/kg/min your body currently is consuming at that second. which i think is in relation to calculating the epoc.

zhang965

I talked about runayyze, it has different formulas and show you different results you can compare it

mario_b

@zhang965 thanks i keep that in mind

zhang965

hold hole hold

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@mario_b Runanalyze is cool and we do have their guy here in the forums as well.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@mario_b Thanks for the insight. Indeed it looks like it. At the point, I was using movescount (I use my app now) I had just started with sports and was not so interested in vo2 etc. Lately, I do take a peak from time to time but it has no value for me as I better listen to my self, it shows better. But hey, this is really personal opinion just to excuse me from not knowing this bit of the Suunto ecosystem. I do well understand why people want to have those metrcis and to be accurate.

mario_b

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos i will take a look on it. but having the watch for not more then around 24 hours, i will get comfortable with the new suunto system first. meanwhile i like it alot.

mario_b

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos i take it with a grain of salt too. listen to my body first, second the metrics. but i get a very good guidance from it. for example seeing early that i should change something on my training and it works for me.
also for long time reviewing. you really can see, what you did, how much it improves you. (in my head, i can’t remember, but here its a nice graph to see)

zhang965

How I understand my vo2 max.

I did a lab test to find my max vo2 max.

And I use the estimated vo 2 to compare my current running exercise.

estevez

I have a question (and I don´t know if it was already discussed here, I can´t find anything about it):
Why are not (in case of Ambit3) EPOC and VO2 data (which we see in Movescount) displayed in Suunto app?

Thanks for reply or link, where this was discussed here.

zhang965

@estevez why suunto 9 has no Vo2 date as well? because they don’t care

estevez

@zhang965 well, Suunto 9 doesn´t have Firstbeat license, but Ambit3 has…

zhang965

@estevez yes of course I know, I just want you know it’s not a technical problem it’s an attitude problem, Suutno 3 has Vo2 tab in SA

mario_b

@estevez i would say, they don’t have it “yet”. “i think” it is an app work in progress. and better add thinks step by step and clean, instead of trying to put all in at the same time, and having problems. (but thats only what i think).

mario_b

@zhang965 if the suunto 9 is the type of watch for athletes (pros)
and for example the 3 is more for the average fittness type persons.
i think that an pro athlete who already do a VO2max text in a lap from time to time does not really care if the watch tell’s him an around 95% accurate estimation.
but a person who don’t spend hundreds to get such an test, get’s a good guidance if he is improving of not.
same as guidance for training plans, rest days and so on.