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Suunto 9 with the recent GPS firmware was among least accurate GPS watches in today's 25K trail race

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    surfboomerang @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
    last edited by 24 Jan 2020, 12:03

    @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos I haven’t seen the speed wobbles in my running activities. Only on other profiles. I think it has something to do with a different log algorithm in the running profiles.

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      Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @surfboomerang
      last edited by 24 Jan 2020, 12:05

      @surfboomerang we don’t use anything different (algo) between types.

      It can be though the way you use your arms

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        freeheeler @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
        last edited by 24 Jan 2020, 12:09

        @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos
        like “shocks” from waves and fusedspeed becomes confusedspeed?

        living sideways

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          Shrek3k
          last edited by 24 Jan 2020, 12:11

          I am ready for an improved GPS (+ ×) software, too.
          I a challenging environment (weekdays I am running in Berlin, approx 30% of the route(s) between rather solid and high houses) pure GPS and/or GPS+ Galileo/Glonass are quite often a real disaster and only offering a ‘wobbling’ track. And it does not even help to activate the exercise type and wait for a few minutes after the position has been found(yes, minutes, which currently is not too cozy 😉 )

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            Fenr1r @freeheeler
            last edited by 24 Jan 2020, 12:13

            @TELE-HO said in Suunto 9 with the recent GPS firmware was among least accurate GPS watches in today's 25K trail race:

            confusedspeed

            Bravo. Better than any Friday deserves.

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              Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @freeheeler
              last edited by 24 Jan 2020, 12:15

              @TELE-HO GPS no. Speed distance yes though 😄 Only if GPS is off / lost / bad.

              There is also confusedTrack BTW 😄

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                nseslija Bronze Member @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
                last edited by 24 Jan 2020, 12:19

                @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos Interesting, I was convinced that there is different GPS algo for different sport modes… open water and cycling, for example…

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                  Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @nseslija
                  last edited by 24 Jan 2020, 12:22

                  @nseslija well I said something wrong.

                  For cycling/running no diff.

                  For open water only yes there is a special mode.

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                    nseslija Bronze Member @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
                    last edited by 24 Jan 2020, 12:24

                    @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos ok, tnx

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                      zvonejan Bronze Member @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
                      last edited by zvonejan 24 Jan 2020, 16:55

                      @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in Suunto 9 with the recent GPS firmware was among least accurate GPS watches in today's 25K trail race:

                      @surfboomerang I have not tested high speeds. Only up to 22km/h that is the fastest j can run.

                      Can you share this FW? I take all responsibility myself if anything goes wrong.

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                        Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @zvonejan
                        last edited by 24 Jan 2020, 17:30

                        @zvonejan if it was with only the GPS FW updated yes.

                        Unfortunately it’s debug build and I can’t. Let aside that they check FW versions vs SN

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                          Łukasz Szmigiel
                          last edited by Łukasz Szmigiel 24 Jan 2020, 21:02

                          What can I say - if conditions are right, Suunto 5 is spot on. Apparently two layers of longsleeve covering the watch don’t do much if GNSS signal is strong.

                          But - according to Trimble GNSS Planning there were between 8 and 9 GPS satellites visible and between 6 and 7 Galileo satellites and DOP was very low.

                          Today’s run with GPS + Galileo:

                          Open area:
                          Notice top right path being off - I actually run off the embankment and the track is very accurate and consistent.
                          Screenshot_20200124-192318.png

                          Mixed park / open / low buildings:
                          Screenshot_20200124-192414.png

                          An old park with plenty of tall trees:
                          Screenshot_20200124-192339.png

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                            Mff73 @Łukasz Szmigiel
                            last edited by 25 Jan 2020, 12:17

                            @Łukasz-Szmigiel
                            S5 BARO should be a killer.

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                              stromdiddily Gold Members @Mff73
                              last edited by 26 Jan 2020, 06:39

                              @Mff73 was hoping that would be the s7. I think a Baro version would kill S9 imo

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                                nseslija Bronze Member @stromdiddily
                                last edited by 26 Jan 2020, 09:10

                                @stromdiddily S9B with external antenna… my dream watch…

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                                  Łukasz Szmigiel
                                  last edited by 26 Jan 2020, 13:20

                                  I did some scouting on Beidou availability and it’s pretty impressive - while there are around 5 - 9 GPS, Galileo and GLONASS satellites above Wrocław at any given time, there are between 10 and 14 Beidou sats at the same moment.

                                  I believe that Beidou support might solve some GNSS problems for people doing workouts in the mountains or dense urban areas.

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                                    Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @Łukasz Szmigiel
                                    last edited by 26 Jan 2020, 13:45

                                    @Łukasz-Szmigiel I think I agree.

                                    I have been testing now 2 weeks the new FW , I managed to get bad offsets etc from all systems used except GPS-BEIDOU.

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                                      zvonejan Bronze Member
                                      last edited by 26 Jan 2020, 13:46

                                      Honestly, i’m quite pleased with the accuracy lately. These are the last 4 training sessions in the forest and the maximum deviations between tracsk is 15 meters. I use a combination of Gps Galileo,. Only gps give worse results. Gps + Glonas results are really bad - unacceptable to me
                                      forest1.jpg

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                                        zvonejan Bronze Member
                                        last edited by 26 Jan 2020, 13:54

                                        And last 3 street runs, clear sky. Almost no deviations. I hope, that stays in new FW 🙂
                                        street.jpg

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                                          Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @zvonejan
                                          last edited by 26 Jan 2020, 13:55

                                          @zvonejan I like it that you look at the scale.

                                          I have seen people posting:

                                          • What a great track -> Line is super thick (polar/Strava) and scale is like 1KM 😄
                                          • What a bad traack -> Line is super thin (ok) and scale is like 2m

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