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    Mff73 @Likarnik
    last edited by Mff73 12 Jan 2023, 10:50 1 Dec 2023, 10:41

    @Likarnik
    it can for sure.
    I checked deeper in my history, and i may now think that MY sleep tracking is just not good since i switched from S9PP to SV (mid May) and maybe finally not really linked to latest FW.

    Screenshot_20231201_114346_Suunto.jpg

    [Edit] and with S9PP i used also a middle button to backlight during awake times 😉

    Suunto Spartan Ultra (since 2016) FW: 2.8.24 (retired)
    Suunto Vertical all black
    Wife : S9PP
    SA: Always the latest beta :)
    Android 13, Galaxy S205G

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      Iggge @Likarnik
      last edited by 1 Dec 2023, 11:43

      @Likarnik i am not pressing any buttons (what I am aware of)

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        jannis Bronze Member @Mads Hintz-Madsen
        last edited by 1 Dec 2023, 16:32

        @Mads-Hintz-Madsen thank you! Almost, as this is the average heart rate. I wish they would show the minimum heart rate for a longer time period than just the last 7 days.

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          SuperFlo75 Silver Members Bronze Member @Likarnik
          last edited by 1 Dec 2023, 23:05

          @Likarnik I don‘t press any Button during the night, because I‘m afraid this could let the watch think I want to get up…😂

          Suunto Vertical Titanium Forest/Dark Ruby/UTMB/Courtney_Edition
          Suunto Wing
          Suunto 9 Peak Pro Titanium (owns my wife now)
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            Mff73
            last edited by 2 Dec 2023, 06:53

            No button press this night (i didn’t fall 🙂 ), and 5h29 awaken time.
            So, nothing new.
            Next week i will try to sleep with SV + S9PP and see.

            Suunto Spartan Ultra (since 2016) FW: 2.8.24 (retired)
            Suunto Vertical all black
            Wife : S9PP
            SA: Always the latest beta :)
            Android 13, Galaxy S205G

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              Dušan Ković
              last edited by 2 Dec 2023, 07:07

              This is second night after the update. I think the sleep tracking improved. Last night was spot on.

              Screenshot_20231202-080440.png

              We will see in the next few nights how it will work, but it looks like it works well.

              SR
              SA latest beta
              Polar Verity Sense
              Pixel 6

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                Mads Hintz-Madsen @Dušan Ković
                last edited by 2 Dec 2023, 07:18

                @Dušan-Ković I think that you are talking about the Race. This thread is for the Vertical which uses different algorithm. Just wanted to point this out to avoid any confusion 😊

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                  Iggge
                  last edited by Iggge 12 Feb 2023, 13:44 2 Dec 2023, 09:14

                  This time i think The watch actually got it 90% right ✅️
                  Only thing that is wrong is when I went to sleep. It’s about 30-45 min wrong. But this is acceptable for me.
                  This night i actually did put The watch on my under arm, and it seems to have made the trick.
                  Screenshot_20231202_100830_Suunto.jpg

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                    Dušan Ković @Mads Hintz-Madsen
                    last edited by 2 Dec 2023, 13:11

                    @Mads-Hintz-Madsen oh, sorry, I somehow switched parts of the forum 😄

                    SR
                    SA latest beta
                    Polar Verity Sense
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                      Tieutieu Platinum Member @Mff73
                      last edited by Tieutieu 12 Feb 2023, 13:48 2 Dec 2023, 13:20

                      @Mff73 said in Disappointing Sleep tracking after new update:

                      No button press this night (i didn’t fall 🙂 ), and 5h29 awaken time.
                      So, nothing new.
                      Next week i will try to sleep with SV + S9PP and see.

                      Sleep tracking still ok for me with my SV. And I sometimes press buttons at night to look at the time (I have “do no disturb” activated at night), it has never stopped the tracking or shortened my nights.

                      Suunto’s devices at home :
                      Vertical titanium solar
                      Suunto Race S
                      S9pp titanium sand
                      Suunto Wing
                      S9B titanium Ambassador edition, A3P, X6

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                        tiago Bronze Member @Tieutieu
                        last edited by 2 Dec 2023, 14:33

                        @Tieutieu I think it could be like the trend in the Suunto Race,CTL ATL and TSS differences between watch and app, affect some users others not. Don’t know the why,if for some people,in my case, works properly,for others not. It’s related with the new proprietary algorithms from Suunto,and if is a problem who won’t affect everyone is harder to track.

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                          Iggge
                          last edited by 3 Dec 2023, 09:11

                          Seems like I have have solved the problem by wearing the watch like this.
                          Two days now and it’s showing correct values

                          20231203_100941.jpg

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                            peegee @Mff73
                            last edited by 3 Dec 2023, 12:12

                            @Mff73 last night I broke the negative sleep record, l slept for 8h, got up twice during the night, did not press any buttons at all. SV showed 1:04h sleep and that I fell asleep at 05:25am. Which doesn’t make any sense at all… I didn’t get up at this time and wasn’t awake…
                            Maybe I just dreamt I was asleep 🤣

                            Been with a Suunto on my wrist since Ambit2
                            Currently alternating between Race titanium & Vertical titanium solar.
                            Would love a Vertical with amoled display.

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                              Iggge
                              last edited by Iggge 12 Apr 2023, 13:31 4 Dec 2023, 05:35

                              Another update: This night it faild, and big!
                              Went to sleep late at 2350, and up 0615.
                              Total sleep according to watch: 1 hour and 43 min.

                              Will wait for next update. If it don’t work after that I’ll sell it 😕

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                                e6321 Bronze Member
                                last edited by 4 Dec 2023, 07:56

                                Yeah to me this definitely seems to be a OHR problem. Wonder what they changed?

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                                  Iggge
                                  last edited by 6 Dec 2023, 05:31

                                  So this night i got 2.42 hours of sleep. I have actually bought a new watch. Thr poor sleep tracking is killing the data

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                                    Philip Bronze Member @Iggge
                                    last edited by 6 Dec 2023, 06:38

                                    @Iggge I think it is more important to watch the figure of the quality of your sleep, and I must say in my par it is always like I feel myself in the morning when getting up.
                                    The hours I slept is more or less 1 or 2 hours less than I slept.

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                                      Iggge @Philip
                                      last edited by 6 Dec 2023, 06:51

                                      @Philip absolutely, but for a 800$ watch I want the most basic features to work. I do know that I wakes up sometimes during sleep for various reasons. But that a 7 hours sleep shows as a 2 hours sleep is just to big difference, and is altso affecting other data to as HRV and Resources

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                                        AnonVerticalOwner
                                        last edited by 6 Dec 2023, 08:36

                                        Reporting back after some days now again. I’ve had one night that seemed spot-on, but for the rest it’s been randomly completely misjudging sleep/waking times, and detecting awake hours.

                                        It’s clear that when you miss a bit of HR data it draws conclusions from that super quickly, but even with 100%/complete HR data it can get really far off.

                                        I wonder if those who experience this move quite a bit during their sleep. Perhaps it’s not handling it well when people are tossing and turning, and the nights being reported as spot-on could be the ones where they haven’t.

                                        It’s at least not only HR, even if it definitely appears more/too sensitive on that front too. Are there any ideas from Suunto’s end? Happy to test hypotheses.

                                        Vertical connoisseur / 9 Peak Pro custodian — v2.39.44 / v2.37.34 — 67° North

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                                          Tieutieu Platinum Member
                                          last edited by 7 Dec 2023, 06:49

                                          Still perfect here : I woke up tonight for a minute.
                                          This morning at first the watch told me « 3 hours sleep » when I went to sleep section (from when I fall asleep to the moment I woke up). But few moment after I had been really awake and stood up, I had the « last night resume » with my 7h37 hours of sleep with 1min awake.
                                          With the previous firmware my SV would had been usually stuck to the 3 hours.

                                          Suunto’s devices at home :
                                          Vertical titanium solar
                                          Suunto Race S
                                          S9pp titanium sand
                                          Suunto Wing
                                          S9B titanium Ambassador edition, A3P, X6

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