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Difference between Running Performance Index and est. VO2

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    mario_b @zhang965
    last edited by 7 Jun 2019, 17:38

    @zhang965 i went for the ambit3 because its the only watch from suunto which was a barometer and performance index. 🙂
    may i ask you another another question? maybe you know that. on the sports mode running, i can set heart rate limits. so i set my lactate threshold as upper limit and thought i would get an alarm when reaching it. but it only shows me an arrow down next to the heart rate. is it possible to set such an alarm for running?
    if not i think i can create a workout with upper heart rate limit 171 bpm. would that create an alarm? (have not tried it yet)

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      zhang965 @mario_b
      last edited by 7 Jun 2019, 17:43

      @mario_b
      I don’t remember anymore the details, but I do remember if I ran too quick, it will beep beep, so I deactivated all alarm

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        zhang965
        last edited by 7 Jun 2019, 17:44

        check if your alert tones are ON

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          mario_b @zhang965
          last edited by 7 Jun 2019, 17:44

          @zhang965 thx i’ll try that again.

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            mario_b @zhang965
            last edited by 7 Jun 2019, 17:47

            @zhang965 yes i did. auto lap beeps. i just deactivated the button tones. that drives me nuts.
            i’ll try with the workout. i saw a video on youtube and there was a beep.
            thx!

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              zhang965
              last edited by 7 Jun 2019, 17:53

              I don’t care about HR while running

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                mario_b @zhang965
                last edited by 7 Jun 2019, 17:55

                @zhang965 i do on longer uphills. (i suffer too much and get tired quickly) haven’t got the right feeling yet.

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                  zhang965
                  last edited by 7 Jun 2019, 17:56

                  I’m attacking 10KM for 40mins, but too hard

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                    mario_b
                    last edited by 7 Jun 2019, 18:56

                    Just in case anyone is asking the same here is the answer:
                    if you set a limit in the activity or in a workout on the ambit3 and you exceed that limit for more then around 1 minute then an alert is coming. before it only shows you an visual arrow back to the hr zone.

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                      Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager
                      last edited by 7 Jun 2019, 18:57

                      I think that V02max is from first beat. Check their page I think A3 is listed for that

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                        mario_b @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
                        last edited by 7 Jun 2019, 19:00

                        @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos hi! thank you but nope, the running performance index on the ambit3 is the one wich calculates the VO2max with firstbeat algorithms . the estimated VO2 must be from suunto.

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                          Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @mario_b
                          last edited by 7 Jun 2019, 19:02

                          @mario_b I can be wrong. But afai https://www.firstbeat.com/en/consumer-product/suunto/ambit3/

                          There is VO2max as far as I can remember that is FirstBeat. I am not sure a bout the est. Vo2. PErhaps someone else can help

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                            mario_b @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
                            last edited by 7 Jun 2019, 19:10

                            @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos yes kind of right. ☺ the running performance is licensed from firstbeat which is calculation the VO2max.
                            https://www.suunto.com/Support/Product-support/suunto_ambit3_peak/suunto_ambit3_peak/features/running-performance-level/
                            suunto does not call it VO2max because they say its not the Vo2max in your blood alone but also how effective your running style is.
                            for example: all my uploaded old garmin activities gets an VO2 indication but not the running performance index. estimated VO2 must be an suunto propriety value of speed and heart rate.

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                              Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @mario_b
                              last edited by 7 Jun 2019, 19:12

                              @mario_b I believe you 😄

                              Here is the funny thing that confuses me.

                              Spartan has est VO2 -> Ok Suunto thingy
                              S5 (that is firstbeat) has also a thing called est VO2max.

                              Do you think that the difference is on est VO2max vs estVO2 ?

                              To be honest now I am more confused.

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                                zhang965
                                last edited by 7 Jun 2019, 19:13

                                the Vo2 in watch is firstbeat licensed

                                In SC est vo2 is not

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                                  Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @zhang965
                                  last edited by 7 Jun 2019, 19:14

                                  @zhang965 Indeed that can be 😄

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                                    mario_b @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
                                    last edited by 7 Jun 2019, 19:23

                                    @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos 🤣
                                    as i understood the firstbeat metrics are not named the same by the companies using it:
                                    example: all the same
                                    firstbeat: Body resources
                                    sunnto 5: rescources
                                    Garmin: body battery

                                    firstbeat: VO2max Fitness level
                                    ambit3: running performance index
                                    Garmin (Fenix 5): VO2max
                                    suunto 5: VO2max

                                    estimated VO2 (it does not tell “max”) as i found out, is an suunto propriety form of current heart rate and pace. and can be tracked even with the phone and heart rate belt. it does not tell you the maximum oxygen your body can consume on highest level, it rater gives you an estimating of how many oxygen ml/kg/min your body currently is consuming at that second. which i think is in relation to calculating the epoc.

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                                      zhang965
                                      last edited by 7 Jun 2019, 19:27

                                      I talked about runayyze, it has different formulas and show you different results you can compare it

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                                        mario_b @zhang965
                                        last edited by 7 Jun 2019, 19:28

                                        @zhang965 thanks i keep that in mind

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                                          zhang965
                                          last edited by zhang965 6 Jul 2019, 19:30 7 Jun 2019, 19:29

                                          hold hole hold

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