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Suunto 9 with the recent GPS firmware was among least accurate GPS watches in today's 25K trail race

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    Brad_Olwin Moderator @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
    last edited by 23 Jan 2020, 22:53

    @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in Suunto 9 with the recent GPS firmware was among least accurate GPS watches in today's 25K trail race:

    Perhaps if posting here we can revive mr SilventVoyager

    I can share that the latest FW for the Sony chip on both S9/S5 performs oustanding.

    Regarding distance, I always get more than Stryd , road or trail. Personal. But about 0.05-0.15 to A3

    I can confirm way @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos as I have been Field-testing the new firmware. We both agree the GPS is much better.

    Vector/T6c/Ambit 3 Peak/S5 Copper/S3/S7 Ti/S9 baro Ti/S9P Ti/S9PP Ti/Vertical Ti/Race Ti/RaceS/Ocean/Wing

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      azeanic
      last edited by 24 Jan 2020, 07:33

      Can confirm the latest GPS firmware is a lot better than previous iterations. I’m using Stryd for distance, so not sure about actual distance accuracy. But tracks are a lot cleaner and closer to where I’m actually running.

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        Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @surfboomerang
        last edited by 24 Jan 2020, 08:47

        @surfboomerang I have not tested high speeds. Only up to 22km/h that is the fastest j can run.

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          Maryn Silver Members @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
          last edited by 24 Jan 2020, 11:12

          @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos let’s hope that this version stays as a release canditate.

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            surfboomerang @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
            last edited by 24 Jan 2020, 12:03

            @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos I haven’t seen the speed wobbles in my running activities. Only on other profiles. I think it has something to do with a different log algorithm in the running profiles.

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              Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @surfboomerang
              last edited by 24 Jan 2020, 12:05

              @surfboomerang we don’t use anything different (algo) between types.

              It can be though the way you use your arms

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                freeheeler @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
                last edited by 24 Jan 2020, 12:09

                @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos
                like “shocks” from waves and fusedspeed becomes confusedspeed?

                living sideways

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                  Shrek3k
                  last edited by 24 Jan 2020, 12:11

                  I am ready for an improved GPS (+ ×) software, too.
                  I a challenging environment (weekdays I am running in Berlin, approx 30% of the route(s) between rather solid and high houses) pure GPS and/or GPS+ Galileo/Glonass are quite often a real disaster and only offering a ‘wobbling’ track. And it does not even help to activate the exercise type and wait for a few minutes after the position has been found(yes, minutes, which currently is not too cozy 😉 )

                  using a Suunto Vertical & Suunto Wings; mostly running (AKA stomping around) and cycling mostly through the northern german "wilderness"
                  OS - Android 15/Pixel Pro 7

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                    Fenr1r @freeheeler
                    last edited by 24 Jan 2020, 12:13

                    @TELE-HO said in Suunto 9 with the recent GPS firmware was among least accurate GPS watches in today's 25K trail race:

                    confusedspeed

                    Bravo. Better than any Friday deserves.

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                      Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @freeheeler
                      last edited by 24 Jan 2020, 12:15

                      @TELE-HO GPS no. Speed distance yes though 😄 Only if GPS is off / lost / bad.

                      There is also confusedTrack BTW 😄

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                        nseslija Bronze Member @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
                        last edited by 24 Jan 2020, 12:19

                        @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos Interesting, I was convinced that there is different GPS algo for different sport modes… open water and cycling, for example…

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                          Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @nseslija
                          last edited by 24 Jan 2020, 12:22

                          @nseslija well I said something wrong.

                          For cycling/running no diff.

                          For open water only yes there is a special mode.

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                            nseslija Bronze Member @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
                            last edited by 24 Jan 2020, 12:24

                            @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos ok, tnx

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                              zvonejan Bronze Member @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
                              last edited by zvonejan 24 Jan 2020, 16:55

                              @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in Suunto 9 with the recent GPS firmware was among least accurate GPS watches in today's 25K trail race:

                              @surfboomerang I have not tested high speeds. Only up to 22km/h that is the fastest j can run.

                              Can you share this FW? I take all responsibility myself if anything goes wrong.

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                                Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @zvonejan
                                last edited by 24 Jan 2020, 17:30

                                @zvonejan if it was with only the GPS FW updated yes.

                                Unfortunately it’s debug build and I can’t. Let aside that they check FW versions vs SN

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                                  Łukasz Szmigiel
                                  last edited by Łukasz Szmigiel 24 Jan 2020, 21:02

                                  What can I say - if conditions are right, Suunto 5 is spot on. Apparently two layers of longsleeve covering the watch don’t do much if GNSS signal is strong.

                                  But - according to Trimble GNSS Planning there were between 8 and 9 GPS satellites visible and between 6 and 7 Galileo satellites and DOP was very low.

                                  Today’s run with GPS + Galileo:

                                  Open area:
                                  Notice top right path being off - I actually run off the embankment and the track is very accurate and consistent.
                                  Screenshot_20200124-192318.png

                                  Mixed park / open / low buildings:
                                  Screenshot_20200124-192414.png

                                  An old park with plenty of tall trees:
                                  Screenshot_20200124-192339.png

                                  S9PP 2.40.44

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                                    Mff73 @Łukasz Szmigiel
                                    last edited by 25 Jan 2020, 12:17

                                    @Łukasz-Szmigiel
                                    S5 BARO should be a killer.

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                                      stromdiddily Gold Members @Mff73
                                      last edited by 26 Jan 2020, 06:39

                                      @Mff73 was hoping that would be the s7. I think a Baro version would kill S9 imo

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                                        nseslija Bronze Member @stromdiddily
                                        last edited by 26 Jan 2020, 09:10

                                        @stromdiddily S9B with external antenna… my dream watch…

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                                          Łukasz Szmigiel
                                          last edited by 26 Jan 2020, 13:20

                                          I did some scouting on Beidou availability and it’s pretty impressive - while there are around 5 - 9 GPS, Galileo and GLONASS satellites above Wrocław at any given time, there are between 10 and 14 Beidou sats at the same moment.

                                          I believe that Beidou support might solve some GNSS problems for people doing workouts in the mountains or dense urban areas.

                                          S9PP 2.40.44

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